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US got GIG!

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I think that BoeingBoy has that rare and excellent ability of inducing massive rage without ever having to resort to using an exclamation point. All he does is state facts and people go insane; I love it.
I think BB takes the time to research the items that the rest of us are too lazy to research.
He is the Wizard of OZ until someone is more industrious than he is.
The graphics suck BTW.
 
As I read it, US has authority to operate the route. In it's application for an extension, US said that it currently offers code share flights via UA, but wants to have "the greatest flexibility to implement air service if future conditions should warrant." The exemption extension expires 12/23/2010.

Jim
 
SO nice to see another destination go to the CLT base.

Deleted by Moderator: The topic is the award of GIG route authority to LCC, not the perceived failings of LCC management. There are active threads addressing that issue. Hijacking threads can result in time off.
 
At long last...

Great circle distance:

CLT-GIG 4696 NM
ATL-GIG 4735 NM

All it takes is an internet connection...or so I've been so smugly told.

Now that you've had a day to savor your joy, the rest of the story....

If you look at probable routings from CLT to GIG (and return), there's a little thing called military use airspace (warning areas) offshore from southern NC to mid FL and it stands in the way of any routing that approximates a great circle. Therefore, the choices of routing are:

- CLT east to ILM and then approximately a great circle route to GIG on the AR route structure.

- CLT to CHS then AR4 east to OLDEY intersection and then basically a great circle route to GIG using AR routes.

- CLT to OMN (Ormand Beach FL VOR for the non-initiated) and thereafter basically a great circle route to GIG

DL flying ATL-GIG goes to OMN and the AR routes after that - a routing that approximates a great circle. You can see the flight track of DL 61 on sites such as FlightAware.com.

Put any of the CLT-GIG routings in great circle mapper and you'll find that the flying distance is greater than ATL-GIG. The indirect routing needed to get on the AR routes more than offsets the 39 nm difference in great circle distance that CLT enjoys over ATL.

Jim
 
:up: to BoeingBoy for the factual explanation. That explains some of my routings out of JAX (the airbase nearby may have something to do with that military airspace).

So with a half dozen (or fewer) daily O&D GIG passengers at CLT, US will have to attract a lot of connecting traffic or will have to stimulate more O&D travel to Brazil. What are the odds that significant numbers of existing passengers (most of whom probably have status on DL or AA or CO) will abandon their preferred airline and buy a ticket so they can connect at CLT on US? The airline with one daily flight?
 
I'm so happy that we got GIG! Does this mean the CLT crews will be flying GIG and CDG? With two daily international flights on the 767 will we now get a 767 international base?
 
I'm so happy that we got GIG! Does this mean the CLT crews will be flying GIG and CDG? With two daily international flights on the 767 will we now get a 767 international base?

No.

Who really knows what the company will do with this. The plan is for all of the domestic 757 flying to go away in the next few years as the only 757s we will have left will be ETOPS airplanes.

When enough of the domestic 757 flying is gone and the CLT 757 pilot base is really small, they may then spend the money to qualify those pilots for transoceanic. Who really knows? It's only a 3 day school (which could really be done in 2,) and a transoceanic line check (maybe two if the pilot has not done transatlantic before.)

In the short term, the rumor is that GIG will be flown by PHL crews. If the CLT-CDG service is seasonal, then it will still only be one PHL crew deadheading to CLT to go across a pond. Look for Oct-Mar service to GIG, and Apr-Sep service to CDG out of CLT.

Then again, if the loads dictate, they may use a 330 on both/either of these routes, in which case there is already a 330 pilot base in CLT. It would merely need to be expanded.
 
In the short term, the rumor is that GIG will be flown by PHL crews. If the CLT-CDG service is seasonal, then it will still only be one PHL crew deadheading to CLT to go across a pond. Look for Oct-Mar service to GIG, and Apr-Sep service to CDG out of CLT.

But GIG service is slated to be year-round, which would make it two PHL crews deadheading to CLT from Apr-Sep.
 
OK does anyone know for sure if GIG will be flown with PHL or CLT crews? I don't like seeing other bases flying other flying but also understand the logic of not training the whole base when you have an entire base already trained. Kinda silly for two 767 flights. So again, does anybody know?
 
The CDG route from CLT as we know is being flown by PHL. With the CIG route from CLT now, CLT crews may fly both by the end of the year. CLT 757 pilots are going to be trained for Oceanic. Don't know if it has started yet, but the are. The company has not yet said that CLT 75/76 will be an Oceanic Base, but I think it could happen.
 
Let Ms Carol Baker and friends have a bone. Give em GIG and shop on the 12 hour layover :lol: :lol:
 
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I think that BoeingBoy has that rare and excellent ability of inducing massive rage without ever having to resort to using an exclamation point. All he does is state facts and people go insane; I love it.

That was really funny. I can't really tell if that was a burn on him or everyone else, but it was a burn of some sort just the same and therefore I am amused. Funny!!
 
I can't really tell if that was a burn on him or everyone else, but it was a burn of some sort just the same and therefore I am amused.

So you don't really care if he is right or wrong but you do like it that someone gets"burned"?

That is one sort of amusement.

How could we better describe it? What term would be fitting for an outlook such as this?
 
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