USAPA/ALPA US Pilot Labor Thread 5/10-5/17

[prechilill]

She never flew drunk or transported drugs or scabbed. I respect her efforts.

Yeah, but does she set her rudder trim every time before takeoff???

 

[prechilill]

Prechilill, if the seniority integration was completed it would be implemented.

And that is the problem with your thinking- you equate the fact we have not integrated ops yet that this somehow invalidates the list, or makes the integration talks incomplete.
It doesn't matter whether it is implemented, the courts only care if it was completed, period. There is a list sitting on Parker's desk, where is yours? So, what we have is a T/A that is mostly completed, the last portion remaining is a joint contract. You guys magnificently stalled on that thinking it was to your benefit. (Enjoying LOA93?) Since it sounds like you never listened to Seeham's weak strategy about getting around the Nic, it basically rides on the belief that a union can rearrange a seniority list without regard to anything but their own wishes. In the legal landscape this is a gray area, but the law does record very specifically the actions a union takes must be fair to all and unions can be held accountable for their actions. Seeham thinks he sees an opening. Perhaps you can get Parker to sign off on a new seniority list but that would open LCC to a few law suits. Based on comments made by upper management, Parker probably would not sign off on any rearragment of seniority. That of course, is speculation.
I hope this enlightens you a little on what the west is doing (and also what John and Mitch are keeping busy with). We look forward to the next engagement with Seeham.

 

[luvgoldens]

Hello there. I'm just a spouse. All I see on this board is bickering about the seniority. What about the other things unions are suppose to do for it's members? Has USAPA got it together? My husband had a heart attack at 49 last year, went back to work 9 months later with much assistance from the ALPA Aero-Medical Board doctors. They were wonderful, and basically walked him through it all. He has told me we no longer have life insurance as ours was through ALPA, and if he has another heart attack he's pretty much done flying. Of course it's tough to get life insurance with a pre-existing condition. Does the new union have insurance in place, and what about the long-term disability insurance? Did they get these important features in place before they voted ALPA out? I still have young kids at home, just want to make sure I can provide for them should something happen again to my husband.

 

[luvn737s]

There is no west pilot section 6 negotiation. You really don't understand what has happened do you?

The west retained their section 6 rights and scheduled negotiations to begin May 28. USAPA is obligated to represent the west pilots in this negotiation and bargain in good faith.

You can go back to sleep now.

 

[pilot]

Truly amazing.

Who's feeding you this stuff?

You are correct about one thing though. USAPA is legally obligated to represent all USAirways pilots. And we will negotiate for all USAirways pilots. But there are no separated negotiations for west or east.

Like ableone and his fantasy about the BDL crew, neither of you know what you are talking about or what the facts are. Anger clouds reason and common sense. At least try to state facts and not speculation.

Here is a fact: Nic may or may not stand. That depends on many factors not the least of which is the contract negotiation that will occur between the company and USAPA in rather short order.

Here is another fact: May 28th has nothing scheduled with regard to west pilot negotiation. There is no west pilot negotiation anymore Sparky. There is only USAPA/company negotiation.

Don't believe it? Call Parker or Kirby and ask them. Don't depend on your sources or USAPA to answer that question. Call the company and ask them. Then report back here.

As far as sleeping: You guys out there had better wake up soon. You slept through the card gathering and election saying it wouldn't happen. You better find some principled pilots who will step up and be your reps. Burying your heads and sleeping through this now isn't in your (or the East) pilots best interests.

 

[luvn737s]

Anger clouds reason and common sense.

Hence USAPA.

If USAPA again drops the ball again by failing to show up for scheduled negotiations, it will actually be a win-win for the west as it provides ample evidence of DFR and it keeps unqualified amatuers from fiddling with the west contract.

Why does USAPA feel that it doesn't need to represent the west pilots with respect to defending all the provisions of the contract which USAPA inherited?

Here's a fact. Follow the rules rather than making them up as you (USAPA) go to suit you and you may someday garner the credibility and relevance you so desperately desire.

 

[Richard]

Here is another newsflash for you. Thanks to the efforts of two posters on this thread, it is perilously close to being closed for a whole week.

Some of you need to grow up and act like adults.

The next flame post, or personal comment/insult/attack gets the poster a two week suspension, and gets you all one week without a pilot labor discussion thread.

We have had it with our warnings going unheeded. You will either post by the rules or you WILL NOT POST.

Enough already.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Maybe you are not getting exactly what I am saying.

If I am one of the few I am certain that it is because I am black/female/Dominican and be prepared to get slammed hard in court.

Well, that explains a lot --- and what's wrong with the mindset of a few. You're a pilot first and foremost then you can categorize yourself however you like. But, using your demographic as a convenient crutch does a huge disservice to black female pilots everywhere -- all pilots, really.

Anyway, everybody needs to get over themselves and get to the job at hand: Getting the best contract possible in preparation for the worst economic times in 35 years.

You want to play the victim? Go ahead don't have a say in your contract, you'll have no one to blame but yourself when you aren't happy with the outcome.

Later,
Eye

 

[nycbusdriver]

Since the clock started for everyone at the same time everyone is going to owe about the same amount.

The second the first guy is terminated and someone else is still working who has not paid dues both the company and USAPA are in deep coleslaw. USAPA is probably stupid enough to go there but I doubt management will join them on their march to Valhalla.

Ah, then there's the answer. Send out the delinquency letters to everyone who does not pay and do the paperwork followup. Company won't be a party to selective enforcement, so they enforce the whole thing or get their own butts sued for breach.

 

[CactusFlyr]

What I have posted is factual, no personal attacks from me just facts about your pilot group. I will provide links if you would like. Let me know it is up to you.

Please provide links for your accusations about the lady you are accusing.

Removed by poster as I see the Moderator already spanked you.

 

[BottomFeeder]

USAPA Supports the silence is deafening about Seeham's failure to get NWA to take dues out of the PFAA Flight Attendants!!!!!!

The IAM told their members to cross the picket line and performed the very work that was being struck at NWA. 700UW help me out here, What do they call a person doing struck work?

 

[700UW]

The work was not in the AMFA CBA anymore, it has been in the ESE CBA at NW for years, where not in conflict with any other CBA.

Also ALPA, PFAA (AMFA Sister Union), IBT and TWU all crossed the picket lines too.

 

[Pi brat]

Hello there. I'm just a spouse. All I see on this board is bickering about the seniority. What about the other things unions are suppose to do for it's members? Has USAPA got it together? My husband had a heart attack at 49 last year, went back to work 9 months later with much assistance from the ALPA Aero-Medical Board doctors. They were wonderful, and basically walked him through it all. He has told me we no longer have life insurance as ours was through ALPA, and if he has another heart attack he's pretty much done flying. Of course it's tough to get life insurance with a pre-existing condition. Does the new union have insurance in place, and what about the long-term disability insurance? Did they get these important features in place before they voted ALPA out? I still have young kids at home, just want to make sure I can provide for them should something happen again to my husband.

USAPA has life insurance in place with ING. It is at the same cost as ALPA's, only have to prove that you had ALPA insurance to qualify. I suggest you go to the web site and start the process with your husband's medical background.

This information has been out there for a while if your husband had really wanted to find out about it. Send me a PM if I can help you with it.

 

[BottomFeeder]

The work was not in the AMFA CBA anymore, it has been in the ESE CBA at NW for years, where not in conflict with any other CBA.

Also ALPA, PFAA (AMFA Sister Union), IBT and TWU all crossed the picket lines too.

Did ALPA, IBT, PFAA and TWU perform struck work?


The IAM not only crossed the picket line but they told their member to perform the struck work.

So when the union tells their members to perform struck work of another union.

Help me me out here 700UW, What do they call it?

 

[700UW]

Didnt ALPA Pilots not write things up to keep the planes in the air?

Is it too hard for you to understand the language in the ESE-IAM/CBA let them perform the work?