USAPA/ALPA US Pilot Labor Thread 5/10-5/17

[BottomFeeder]

Didnt ALPA Pilots not write things up to keep the planes in the air?

Is it too hard for you to understand the language in the ESE-IAM/CBA let them perform the work?

Is it too hard to answer the question?

Come on 700UW and help me out. What do they call a union(IAM) that tells it's members to cross a picketline and perform the struck work?

 

[sharktooth]

A basic relative integration.

Even were it a "basic relative integration" (not even close), there were other factors that played, including the possible collusion with mangement over the selling off of the retirement plan, the loser lawsuit for ALPA from the MDA pilots, etc. and so on.

ALPA is going down. If you choose to be a dues and assessment paying member, that is your concern.

The east pilots have finally started looking to the future instead of running from the past. Thank you.

 

[sharktooth]

Enjoy your contract.

Based just on what has been said here, Federal law requires at least some sort of maintenance fee to the organization representing the craft.

In addition, now we find that the west contract demands their pilots pay dues to ALPA, only.

So, let me get this straight.

West pilots pay 1.95% of their gross to ALPA

and,

West pilots, by Federal law pay agency shop fees (1.95%) to USAPA.

Enjoy that raise, boys. <_<

Ba-da-boom!

 

[sharktooth]

I hear you are up to six terminations so far.

Please list, no names, but circumstances would be fine.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Oh that's right, you don't know.

They are not online.

The pilots of AWA are contributing double their normal dues and they are both off full time working for the interests of the west pilots.

I will pass along your regards.

ableoneable

Did they quit, medical or was there a leave granted by the company?

 

[nycbusdriver]

The work was not in the AMFA CBA anymore, it has been in the ESE CBA at NW for years, where not in conflict with any other CBA.

Also ALPA, PFAA (AMFA Sister Union), IBT and TWU all crossed the picket lines too.

But somehow the US Air pilots who worked through the IAM strike back in the 1990's have that term applied to them. Was flying the airplanes part of the IAM contract at that time? Did I miss that particular LOA?

 

[700UW]

Shark.

I have posted a case that happened, when NW's FAs changed from IBT to PFAA, NW refused to take dues out because the CBA was IBT specific, they sued using Seeham and lost, NW never took dues out and it put a hurt on the PFAA until they were unseated by AFA.

HP's CBA is ALPA specific.

 

[sharktooth]

Shark.

I have posted a case that happened, when NW's FAs changed from IBT to PFAA, NW refused to take dues out because the CBA was IBT specific, they sued using Seeham and lost, NW never took dues out and it put a hurt on the PFAA until they were unseated by AFA.

HP's CBA is ALPA specific.

Thanks, but, even if you are correct, then, does USAPA have any liability to protect those sending dues to ALPA? If ALPA tries to administer their contract and the company, rightly so, tosses ALPA, can the west pilots sue ALPA for DFR or the company for whatever legal catch 22 they find themselves in?

 

[700UW]

Oh I am correct, you can google it and you will see the articles on it.

ALPA cant administer the CBA, USAPA will have to do that, but they are probably gonna be SOL on collecting dues.

Funny thing is Jerry Glass was responsible for the language at NW, I think at HP too.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Oh I am correct, you can google it and you will see the articles on it.

ALPA cant administer the CBA, USAPA will have to do that, but they are probably gonna be SOL on collecting dues.

Funny thing is Jerry Glass was responsible for the language at NW, I think at HP too.

I don't think that you are correct. The version of their contract I read online says "the association", not "ALPA". Therefore, whichever association represents pilots gets the dues.

 

[700UW]

An earlier poster said their CBA says ALPA.

 

[skyflyr69]

Here is another newsflash for you. Thanks to the efforts of two posters on this thread, it is perilously close to being closed for a whole week.

Some of you need to grow up and act like adults.

The next flame post, or personal comment/insult/attack gets the poster a two week suspension, and gets you all one week without a pilot labor discussion thread.

We have had it with our warnings going unheeded. You will either post by the rules or you WILL NOT POST.

Enough already.

Richard, i'd shut it down. I mean 325,000 posts by the 7th largest airline?? as compared to BIGGER airlines? Seems US employees have an ax to grind. Time to do a TIME OUT.

 

[skyflyr69]

Hello there. I'm just a spouse. All I see on this board is bickering about the seniority. What about the other things unions are suppose to do for it's members? Has USAPA got it together? My husband had a heart attack at 49 last year, went back to work 9 months later with much assistance from the ALPA Aero-Medical Board doctors. They were wonderful, and basically walked him through it all. He has told me we no longer have life insurance as ours was through ALPA, and if he has another heart attack he's pretty much done flying. Of course it's tough to get life insurance with a pre-existing condition. Does the new union have insurance in place, and what about the long-term disability insurance? Did they get these important features in place before they voted ALPA out? I still have young kids at home, just want to make sure I can provide for them should something happen again to my husband.

Love, where have you and husband been? This has been on EVERY media source available to man. Hope he is doing well.

 

[dariencc]

This actually happened at NW, the FAs CBA specificaly stated for the DCO part in the CBA was the IBT, NWA actually did not pay any dues money to the PFAA and was unable to get NW to take dues out of the FAs paychecks as the CBA was written only for the IBT and not any other union. The PFAA was nearly bankrupted and had to negotiate with NW to get the FAs on DCO.

After this post late at night, I see that you added about 4 others over the next several hours demanding to know why no one had answered you. Must it be a full time job keeping up with the thoughts of the world's greatest living expert, or may we occasionally rest?

All you have done is present a scenario where the company might be within its rights to refuse to collect dues on behalf of USAPA. That point has been already been rendered mute by the company's actions, a pesky factoid that deflates another one of your trial balloons. The company has begun to process dues checkoff forms as we speak. VP Flight Ops Ed Bular stated on his code-a-phone update that "we are committed to working through the process." They are not taking the NW position on the matter. End of story.

Since you are so eager for your posts to be answered in real time, I note that you have been slow in responding to nycbusdriver's direct question to you about your selective use of the word scab:

But somehow the US Air pilots who worked through the IAM strike back in the 1990's have that term applied to them. Was flying the airplanes part of the IAM contract at that time? Did I miss that particular LOA?

No answer yet, but we are standing by for the usual sophistry.

 

[700UW]

If you read the moderator's post you would see why.

Let me remind you all one more time, that there is to be no name calling or other inflammatory language on these boards.
That goes for the word "scab" as directed at an individual, AND it goes for UCRAPA too, as well as ALPO.

Use the correct name of the union or nothing at all.

Thank you.

Pilots cleaning airplanes during the 30 day cooling off period and strike was IAM Covered work, now wasnt it?

And dont tell me it didnt happen, there were hundreds of grievances filed during the 30 day cooling off period and we had agents let us know what was going on during the strike.