Velvet / Traitor

[CSA007]

IV been reading this thread and so far I see a couple of people mad about the company's new attendance policies and a couple of people jealous of Velvets paycheck. That's about it? So lets get rid of our union .... right?


US AIRWAYS NEW ACP AND DISCIPLINE POLICY-FAQ
November 25, 2008
IBT/CWA Association

11/25 -Update from the IBT/CWA Association regarding the Attendance and Discipline policy; It is the Association’s position that the entire policy is invalid and will not be recognized by it. Our attorneys are in the process of drafting a letter from the Association to the Company stating our position in more detail. In the meantime, there is one piece of the policy that is particularly objectionable and that we feel we must address immediately - the shift trade issue. Although we are not accepting any portion of the policy as valid, a grievance is in the works right now on the shift trade issue, as stated in the FAQ below.

Why did US Airways develop a new Attendance control and Discipline policy?

When US Airways and America West merged, the customer service agents from each company had different policies they were covered under. The East had a two track system and the West had a one track system. The West agents were subjected to "stacking" where the company could combine attendance occurrences with disciplinary issue's to move them through the steps faster towards final steps of their policy. The East two track system was the policy the Company chose to adopt for all of the agents with changes to the two track system as described in the policy the Company has been covering the employees on recently.

Did the IBT/CWA Association approve or negotiate this policy?

NO. Union's normally do not negotiate discipline or attendance policies. The reason is that it would make it very difficult to challenge our members being disciplined under a policy that we negotiated. We believe it is more beneficial to reserve our right to challenge the discipline meted by the employer. Under the IBT/CWA Association, we have "Just cause" language protecting us, giving us the right to grieve any discipline issued to us under this new policy or any other Company policy.

Did the IBT/CWA Association have input in any way to the new Policy?

No, we did not have any direct input to policy. U S Airways did present it to the Association. We were able to ask clarifying questions and offer suggestions but U S Airways made it very clear they had no interest in negotiating the policy and their request in no way inferred that they would modify the policy based on our input. The only suggestion the company considered from the Association was the length of time an ATO agent is kept in Level III discipline vs. a RES agent. They changed the policy to be the same in both classifications. Now when placed on a level III discipline, it is effective for 12 months instead of 18 months. This had been an issue for years with the CWA before the merger, but it fell on deaf ears in the past at US Airways. In fact, the company had threatened to change the RES Level III to 18 months to mimic the ATO's when we asked them to make them equal. There were other changes and suggestions made by the Association, but the Company did not consider them.

Who can I contact if I have a question or issue with the new policy and its application?

You should contact your local manager with any general questions about the policy, since it was designed by US Airways. If an agent wants to file a grievance due to the application of the policy, please contact your Union steward for assistance.

Does the IBT/CWA Association agree with the new policy?

No, we do not. We did not agree with the past policies either and have continued to grieve the application of discipline in each individual case.

Does the threat of loosing our SWAPS due to a sick call on a swap, violate our Contract?

Yes, the IBT/CWA Association feels that language in the policy violates our negotiated language in the CBA and we have grievances in the works to address this issue in the near future. We feel it is also Double Jeopardy when someone is placed on a discipline level for calling out sick on a swap and loosing their right to swap for 30 or 60 days.
Disciplining an employee twice for the same act constitutes "double jeopardy".

 

[Lilly]

IV been reading this thread and so far I see a couple of people mad about the company's new attendance policies and a couple of people jealous of Velvets paycheck. That's about it? So lets get rid of our union .... right?


US AIRWAYS NEW ACP AND DISCIPLINE POLICY-FAQ
November 25, 2008
IBT/CWA Association

11/25 -Update from the IBT/CWA Association regarding the Attendance and Discipline policy; It is the Association’s position that the entire policy is invalid and will not be recognized by it. Our attorneys are in the process of drafting a letter from the Association to the Company stating our position in more detail. In the meantime, there is one piece of the policy that is particularly objectionable and that we feel we must address immediately - the shift trade issue. Although we are not accepting any portion of the policy as valid, a grievance is in the works right now on the shift trade issue, as stated in the FAQ below.

Why did US Airways develop a new Attendance control and Discipline policy?

When US Airways and America West merged, the customer service agents from each company had different policies they were covered under. The East had a two track system and the West had a one track system. The West agents were subjected to "stacking" where the company could combine attendance occurrences with disciplinary issue's to move them through the steps faster towards final steps of their policy. The East two track system was the policy the Company chose to adopt for all of the agents with changes to the two track system as described in the policy the Company has been covering the employees on recently.

Did the IBT/CWA Association approve or negotiate this policy?

NO. Union's normally do not negotiate discipline or attendance policies. The reason is that it would make it very difficult to challenge our members being disciplined under a policy that we negotiated. We believe it is more beneficial to reserve our right to challenge the discipline meted by the employer. Under the IBT/CWA Association, we have "Just cause" language protecting us, giving us the right to grieve any discipline issued to us under this new policy or any other Company policy.

Did the IBT/CWA Association have input in any way to the new Policy?

No, we did not have any direct input to policy. U S Airways did present it to the Association. We were able to ask clarifying questions and offer suggestions but U S Airways made it very clear they had no interest in negotiating the policy and their request in no way inferred that they would modify the policy based on our input. The only suggestion the company considered from the Association was the length of time an ATO agent is kept in Level III discipline vs. a RES agent. They changed the policy to be the same in both classifications. Now when placed on a level III discipline, it is effective for 12 months instead of 18 months. This had been an issue for years with the CWA before the merger, but it fell on deaf ears in the past at US Airways. In fact, the company had threatened to change the RES Level III to 18 months to mimic the ATO's when we asked them to make them equal. There were other changes and suggestions made by the Association, but the Company did not consider them.

Who can I contact if I have a question or issue with the new policy and its application?

You should contact your local manager with any general questions about the policy, since it was designed by US Airways. If an agent wants to file a grievance due to the application of the policy, please contact your Union steward for assistance.

Does the IBT/CWA Association agree with the new policy?

No, we do not. We did not agree with the past policies either and have continued to grieve the application of discipline in each individual case.

Does the threat of loosing our SWAPS due to a sick call on a swap, violate our Contract?

Yes, the IBT/CWA Association feels that language in the policy violates our negotiated language in the CBA and we have grievances in the works to address this issue in the near future. We feel it is also Double Jeopardy when someone is placed on a discipline level for calling out sick on a swap and loosing their right to swap for 30 or 60 days.
Disciplining an employee twice for the same act constitutes "double jeopardy".

:huh: You really don't get it, do you CSA007? No one is jealous over Velvet's salary. The fact is that she doesn't deserve that kind of money when she dosen't do her job correctly. She's supposed to work for the UNION, not the company. She's a back stabber. It wasn't really necessary to post the ACP faq's. Anyone interested knows where to find it. This new ACP violates the customer service contract. MAYBE THAT'S WHY SOME OF US ARE MAD........DUH

 

[drifterreno]

:huh: You really don't get it, do you CSA007? No one is jealous over Velvet's salary. The fact is that she doesn't deserve that kind of money when she dosen't do her job correctly. She's supposed to work for the UNION, not the company. She's a back stabber. It wasn't really necessary to post the ACP faq's. Anyone interested knows where to find it. This new ACP violates the customer service contract. MAYBE THAT'S WHY SOME OF US ARE MAD........DUH

Okay, I think I've read enough to make a statement. First of all it was totally wrong to have agents on both sides of the country represented by 2 unions. There should have been a vote to have one or the other. I know that things were not handled in my case as they should have been and as they had been handled on the east coast many many times--before I left the East. Let me tell you, in my case, the grievence did not go through the correct procedure. No meeting with management and union rep. No meeting with a manager from another city, hr rep, another agent, and union rep. It was one meeting with all of the above minus the agent rep. AND the union rep did not allow things to "be made whole and returned to prior status". She made a comment that not only did not return me to be made whole but subjected me to a cut in pay and therefore I did not return on my own decision.
That being said, and I was on many grievences on the East side--why don't you all get together??? Hasen't this gone on long enough where the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing??

 

[CSA007]

Jealous over Velvet's Salary??

That's an interesting choice of a word CSA007. Not the way I read any of the posts. Perhaps if we replace Jealous with concerned it would IMO be a more accurate assesment.

A couple of people have an axe to grind ..... that's it. To be honest I doubt there salary assessment has any merit. Just a slander thread if you ask me. Just my humble opinion. <_<

 

[Kev3188]

IV been reading this thread and so far I see a couple of people mad about the company's new attendance policies and a couple of people jealous of Velvets paycheck. That's about it? So lets get rid of our union .... right?

Thanks for joining in the conversation, Velvet!

 

[tea42]

csa...WELCOME Velvet...are you on my time???? Don't forget---my dues pay you!!!!! Get back to work...errr...I mean informing the company....uhhh....well you know...get back to work....

 

[tea42]

csa007,
this is no slander board....this is opinions...most which also happen to be facts. Velveteen should be couinting her days...employees across the nation are tired of her antics....

 

[oneforall]

csa007,
this is no slander board....this is opinions...most which also happen to be facts. Velveteen should be couinting her days...employees across the nation are tired of her antics....

Tea42 - have you met this person you are attacking? Have you called the CWA National and asked them if all of this is true? Don't you think they would like to know? Is she guilty until proven innocent?

Do you know that our current local Pres. has used membership dues to campaign to the district 4 people so he could have them absorbed into our local? Is he the one feeding you this crap about the person you are attacking? He has an axe to grind with her because he thinks he should be in that position. Some of us heard him mention this FACT when he was in our station.

Oh and I talked to the IAM rep in BUF and he said that your local Pres. ratted out some ramp guys to management (Camille Soto) and they were disciplined. Nice local Union leader we got here.

Ask him the last time he filed for arbitration for a discipline case or termination in his local. Have not seen one yet for our group in district 1 since he has been in office. I am talking discipline and terminations. Our local staff rep is Donna Dolan. You can email her to find out when she has an arbitration for us set up for any terminated employees. ddolan@cwa-union.org. On his local web site he states he has gotten 50% of the terminated members in his local back to work. What happened to the other 50%? Are they in limbo? Why not ask him to show you the grievane files of all of the members he is NOT representing. I spoke to a friend in DC that said their rep told them that our local pres. had to miss an important meeting with management last month in PHX so he could be nominated for pres. again. He screwed himself on that one. If he went to the important meeting on behalf of his members, he would NOT have been nominated again. He made it so undemocratic that it backfired on him. How nice.

 

[tea42]

I dont need to know this person nor do i want to....I just know from all her back pocketing with the company---enough is enough...there was no campaigning from my district to join 1171----we and others asked for it and actively voted for it.

There is no one feeding me any crap---no one speaks through me. I am not sure why you are now coming across as attacking someone else??? This thread is about the underhanded way the ACP is getting slid in--even though there are violations of the contract. Big V knew about this and kept her trap shut....just another thing that she has been involved in that in some way/shape or form has screwed us again.

As far as not knowing whomever this person is you are attacking...my rep never came to my station either...doesn't mean anything. We here in my city do not need a visit from mom or dad to keep the communication lines open....we take it upon ourselves to make sure we are informed...unfortunately a lot of info is with held....and alot of of emails addressed to big V are never answered....
wheres the update on CWA about the arbitration? Why is it getting held back???
Believe what you want and I will belive what I know are facts.

 

[tea42]

Jealous over Velvet's Salary??

That's an interesting choice of a word CSA007. Not the way I read any of the posts. Perhaps if we replace Jealous with concerned it would IMO be a more accurate assesment. Concerned as in what the rank and file recieves in services from CWA in exchange for their dues and does it justify the salary



Thank you again Piney....this person just doesn't get it or they do and they are defending themselves....

 

[The Man]

CSA007- ONEFORALL---------------How many names do you have Velvet?

John has been a good local Prez. He works very hard for us on a meager budget. Maybe if the CWA stopped wasting money on your bloated salary we could afford a local office. That's right folks, local 1171 can't even afford an office, can't afford to pay to deploy our local reps. Somehow the CWA always manages to send Velvet a check though.

Velvet, I know John Hanson, I've worked with John Hanson, and Velvet, your no John Hanson.

Time to get ths heffer away from the feeding trough.

 

[Edward]

This thread had got out of line & more than ran it's course.