Waterboarding....torture?
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Freedom4all
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Fair and square? Let see, they behead people, fly our planes into our buildings, kill thousands in the process and what do we do? Splash water and use a bug?
Oh my...the horror!
Oh my...the horror!
Garfield1966
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Nah, pretty sure it was RR who pissed him off when OBL and his merry men were left high and dry after doing our dirty work fighting the evil empire.
Garfield1966
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Yes, the wise and educated people of the US have spoken. They once approved of the Jim Crow laws as well. They also approved of slavery and segregation. They also had no problem of affording women equal rights (bet your glad that one changed huh?). Spare me the I'm in the minority BS. According to the National Geographic survey done each year, a large portion f those voters cannot locate the US on a freaking map so to expect them to understand the ramifications of water boarding is a bit much.
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Oh yeah? Well what about Obama taking out innocent civilians via drones in Afghanistan?
Where is the outrage for that? Does that not compromise our blah blah blah as a nation?
No one died as a result of splashing a few non us citizens who waged war upon you.
In fact it has been proven that it did save thousands. And for that, no apologies are warranted!
Someone in charge took the bull by the horns and showed cajones, which is what you do when you are attacked.
We did it in WWII when we were attacked and rained fire upon our enemy. The only thing that has changed is politics have undermined and weakened our fortitude. That has to change.
Where is the outrage for that? Does that not compromise our blah blah blah as a nation?
No one died as a result of splashing a few non us citizens who waged war upon you.
In fact it has been proven that it did save thousands. And for that, no apologies are warranted!
Someone in charge took the bull by the horns and showed cajones, which is what you do when you are attacked.
We did it in WWII when we were attacked and rained fire upon our enemy. The only thing that has changed is politics have undermined and weakened our fortitude. That has to change.
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Piney, you seem to think that the US should treat these guys like a foreign army.
The guys at Gitmo are the ones who decided to dispense with the rules by not wearing a uniform.
The mistake isn't the means used to interrogate them. The mistake was bringing them off the battlefield on their own feet.
The justice they deserved was a Chapter .223 or a Section 9 trial in the theater of war.
The guys at Gitmo are the ones who decided to dispense with the rules by not wearing a uniform.
The mistake isn't the means used to interrogate them. The mistake was bringing them off the battlefield on their own feet.
The justice they deserved was a Chapter .223 or a Section 9 trial in the theater of war.
Look into it Gar....white democrats put in the Jim Crow laws.
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Clinton ?????
Seems I remember VERY WELL, President...W..was at "the Helm", reading to second graders, when AA-11 struck the WTC.
Spin it all you like,..........but it IS what it IS
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Ok bear, if you say so. Lol
Garfield1966
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First, the Dems of the late 1800's are not the same dems of the 21st century. The Lincoln republicans are not the republicans of the 1st century either.
Second of all, who the heck cares who enacted the laws. The point was that the people do not always know best.
Seatacus
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Gar, the Dems of 2008 are not the Dems of 1960 (Kennedy). The names seem to stay the same but the partys change.
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No one is who they were in the 60's. My point was and still is, people (regardless of political affiliation) voted for and agreed with the Jim Crow laws. The agreed with segregation. They were against empowerment for women and other minorities. They are willing to set aside the rights of others so long as they are not affected. And people, as a whole are dumb as a box of rocks.
People have very little understanding of what is out side their little world. I do not imagine that many f the soldiers figured they would have issues killing another human being or seeing their comrades killed in combat. So many people in this country and on this board are more than willing to send troops into harms way, nuke a city or what ever. Apparently one soldier got so screwed up that he took a gun to a stress clinic and took out 5 comrades. According to a head shrink on night line last night, I believe she said there are over 300,000 troops who have some sort of PTSD. I guess combat ain't the cake walk quite a few think it is.
Combat should always be the last resort. You only go to war when there is absolutely no other option available. WWII was not avoidable. Afghanistan was not avoidable. Iraq? Yea right. Iran? Still is but it needs to be dealt with. Too many in this country want to shoot first and ask questions later. Bush had the 'dead or alive' mentality. That does not work in the 21st century.
When Stockdale and McCain say that water boarding is torture, I will tend to take their word over the words of people who (according to National Geographic) are more likely not to know where the US is on a map of the planet. It is not like the interrogator and the suspect are sitting down for a little chat over tea and crumpets. The suspect is going to have the living sh1t scared out of him/her and quite possible suffer physiological damage. According to the rest of the world, McCain and Stockdale water boarding is torture. So if we as a nation are willing to use water boarding, then we as a nation need to step up to the plate ans say that the US will torture you if we think you have info we want. I think it is disingenuous to dance around and try to convince our selves that what we are doing is not torture. "well, we ship it off to somewhere else so "we" do not torture.' OH BS. That turd floats about as well as the idea of 'plausible deny-ability' or "I don't recall".
