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Decision 2004

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I found a very interesting document...

In the recent Burchette/Romano Love Fest Video. They are talking about the "Break Through Goal" of $500 Million from the Tulsa Base Within 18 Months.

The $500 Million Breakthrough Pajama Party Video

That $500 Million sounded familiar to me so I had to search through my wonderful TWU archives. And guess what I found?

In this Jim Little Letter dated August 26th, 2003:

Click Here to read the - JIM "WITHOUT FURTHER RATIFICATION" LITTLE LETTER

Little states the following...

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SO in August of 2003, if we had not gave away the farm, AA would have requested $500 Million more in concessions in Bankruptcy.

And according to Jim, the TWU is going to "take back" what we have given up...

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During the coming months, all of our union officers will be in the field providing accurate information about how we are planning to take back what we have lost.

And today, well, we have a three night TWU/AA pajama party, and a break through vision and goal, and Tulsa needs to come up with the $500 Million.

So one TWU Official is claiming in writing that we relieved ourselves of $500 Million in further concessions by doing things his way, and we are going to take back what we have lost.

The other TWU Official is having three night pajama parties with AA Management and making videos about creating break through goals to get the company the $500 Million they missed out on at the hands of Jim Little.

And to date, none of us has been given any accurate information on how they plan to take back what we have lost....


ANY QUESTIONS?
 
They want another 500 million from TULSA alone. I wonder how much they want from the rest of the AA maintenance stations? Another 500 million?
 
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH said:
They want another 500 million from TULSA alone. I wonder how much they want from the rest of the AA maintenance stations? Another 500 million?
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I understand the concept of TWU Local 514 cutting the throat of the line and only collaborating with the company to save jobs no matter the cost. How else can they keep the flow of dues coming in.

But what I do not understand is how the TWU Local 514 can take this position to save $500 million and then have base mechanics work, line work at TUL?
 
What does the future hold for AMT's?

FAA Feedback

Thin Gray Line

The industry needs new mechanics

By Bill O'Brien

January/February 2005

This year I was honored to speak at 30 FAA IA meetings to 4,000+
mechanics, in cities that are as geographically diverse as Fairbanks,
Alaska, is from Lakeland, Florida. Some of the IAs at these meetings
told me they only came to the meeting just to be picked on by me. While
that kind of false flattery warms my soul, the real truth is that the
vast majority of mechanics would listen to a mime for eight hours to
renew their IA rather than take the FAA's IA test all over again.

Even in cities 5,000 miles apart, one universal fact becomes readily
apparent. The gray heads in the audience outnumbered the dark heads 10
to 1. Are we dying as a profession I wondered as I watched the thin gray
line file in after a break. "Where are the younger mechanics to carry on
once we retire?"

Wise men who have studied organizational design, have figured that the
ideal mix of experience and talent in any professional field is
one-third master journeymen, one-third able journeymen, and one-third
apprentices. This mix is vital for a single organization or an entire
career field to sustain itself. While, I am never mistaken for a wise
man, based on what my eyes tell me, I estimate that the mix of active
mechanics working in general aviation is 80 percent senior journeymen,
15 percent able journeymen, and 5 percent apprentice mechanics. At 61, I
count myself in the 80 percent group.

America, we have a problem. In less than five to seven years we will
lose 80 percent of our most experienced mechanics in all sectors of
aviation maintenance because 40 years have passed and it is getting
close to the time for the Viet Nam era mechanics to retire. Who is going
to replace them? If we can no longer maintain what we build, how long
can our industry, our profession, and our nation last?

* What happened?*

What has happened to our maintenance profession in the last 15 years,
you ask? Who is to blame? The simple answer is the marketplace!!!!

Our aviation maintenance industry's volatility began shortly after the
Air Line Deregulation Act of 1978. But, way back then, our industry
average age for an IA was 39 and A&P schools were turning out 7,000 plus
mechanics a year. From 1979 through 1987, we still had recessions and
job scares but the industry kind of coasted along, feeding off of the
false memory of security of now defunct Civil Aeronautic Board economic
protectionism. That momentum came to a halt in the late '80s when the
first of several large air carriers went under; names like Pan American,
Eastern, Midway, Peoples Express, and New York Air, ceased to be. From
1988 to 1991 airlines crashed due to a whole host of new market factors
and the inability to adapt to changing times. As each one died, they
collectively dumped a surplus of 15,000 experienced mechanics into an
already crowded workplace. These well-trained mechanics easily filled
the gap in aviation maintenance positions caused by the Korea-era
trained mechanics who were retiring.

In the years 1992 through 1994, large numbers of G.I. mechanics added to
the surplus work force because of the downsizing of the military after
the Gulf War. Not surprising, the supply exceeded demand, and with the
cut back in commercial flying during and after the Gulf War, mechanic
jobs were hard to find. Not only jobs were scarce but wages for
mechanics stayed about the same for most of GA while the rest of the
industry's pay scale climbed.

This cold economic fact was not lost on the high school seniors in 1994
that were looking to enter one of the many technical fields available.
Aviation still carried with it the promised magic of flight, and the
added allure of working on multimillion dollar, high-tech aircraft.
However, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that money
makes the world go around, and these high school kids knew at the time
there were no jobs in aviation maintenance so they chose other
professions in CFI (callous free industries).

As bad as these early '90s marketplace roller coaster rides the
mechanics were on, even more severe was the pain the Part 147 schools
had to endure. Unlike the 200 hours, required to train a commercial
pilot, it takes between 1,900 to 2,200 hours to train a new mechanic. So
even in good times, a Part 147 A&P school is always 18 months behind the
demands of the marketplace. So, after the end of Gulf War, and a slowing
economy, the majority of Part 147 schools started to cut back on classes
and instructors, due to low student enrollment.

These years, 1992 through 1996, marked the first serious decline in the
number of new A&P student starts and in my opinion it was the beginning
of the longest decline in the numbers of younger mechanics entering into
our career field.

Around the last quarter of 1996, the aviation industry took off, when
our economy bounced back. New start-up carriers were being added, oil
was $24 a barrel, and the surplus of mechanics of the early '90s worked
itself down into a deficit. Now, the Part 147 schools were hard pressed
to fill the demand for more mechanics. With the industry moving again
neither the Part 147 schools or the military could fill the demand for
mechanics overnight, so outsourcing heavy maintenance to other countries
became an option for the air carriers. This new source of cheap,
well-trained labor abroad further lowered the demand for new homegrown
mechanics.

* 9-11 and the fear of flying*

Next bump in the road came on 9-11 when the flying public, watching the
destruction of the NY twin towers, no longer thought of commercial and
general aviation as a transportation system, but now those same aircraft
were seen as weapons of mass destruction. Almost immediately the
industry experienced the loss of public confidence and the fear of
flying went to a whole new level. Shortly thereafter our recovery was
stalled when our industry fortunes were inversely proportional to the
soaring price of oil. So for the last three years, the airline industry
has been experiencing the economic volatility worthy of a Mexican TV
melodrama.

* So what are we going to do about it?*

First, what is the present status of the maintenance industry? My
research says that corporate aviation is by far the healthiest with
respect to decent jobs and wages. Next in line are the large and middle
size repair stations, followed by the regional airlines, then the large
airlines, and last is general aviation. While many of the large
established airlines pay more than the corporations or repair stations,
I placed them next to last because of the current job insecurity and
latest reductions in pay. But even the healthiest organization will be
fighting hard to fill mechanic positions within the next five to seven
years.

So what do we fix first? Answer: Fix the problem that is common to all.
That problem is the lack of new mechanics entering our career field. But
we must address the causes behind the problem such as the decline of
number of Part 147 schools. We have a total of approximately 172 Part
147 schools. I say approximately because some are operating at minimum
capacity. Most of the ones that are in trouble are part of
state-operated community colleges. The bean counters at the schools run
the math and correctly figure that costs of operating with low student
enrollments exceed the benefits and based on the math, they either start
to close down the school or reconfigure it to teach other technical
subjects. They fail to see the long-term effects of their actions on our
industry. Each time we lose a school, we bleed a little.

The warm and fuzzy folks might say: "Oh, so we lose a school or two, so
what, we can count on ex-military mechanics to take up the slack after
they come back from the Iraqi war." Well you can forget about it. The
military is not in a position to save our bacon again. They have their
own mechanic retention problems. I pulled up a news clip off the
Internet that said on Jan. 30 of last year the Blue Angels, the Navy's
flight demonstration team, announced there was a shortage of qualified
applications for mechanics for its 2005 season. That one sentence says
it all. Plus every school we lose, we lose $3 million in aviation
education infrastructure because it takes approximately $3 million to
start up a new Part 147 school.

So now what? I am reminded of what former Speaker of the House and
fellow Irishman, Tip O'Neill said: "All politics is local." What he
meant was, that before an issue becomes a national problem it must first
be identified as a local problem and receive local support to solve that
problem. Once identified, then that problem is moved up through the
system to the city, state, or federal levels of government where the
problem can be addressed.

For example, we have the results of a hundred different studies
performed by industry and the federal government that identified the
shortages of aviation mechanics as far back as the DOT 1993 Blue Ribbon
Study titled: Pilot and Maintenance Technicians for the Twenty-First
Century." That report and every report since stated the same conclusion,
that the effects of a shortage of mechanics on a multibillion dollar
aviation industry are incalculable.

But the word "incalculable" is just too hard a concept for the local
citizen to understand, and they did not "see" a problem, so the warnings
went unheeded. However, if in a year or two, down at the local airport,
there are daily incidents of regional jets that cannot make a flight
because there is no mechanic to fix a grounding item, then
"incalculable" becomes a real word and a local problem to the 50 people
who missed their connecting flights. Or worst yet, the word
"incalculable" might be a smoking hole in the ground because the flight
was made despite that the needed maintenance was not performed.

But, the timeline to solve this problem is short. So we need to get both
local and national industry attention on this coming shortage of
maintenance personnel and not wait for a smoking hole. At the local
level, I urge the alumni of A&P schools to support their schools with
monetary gifts and other offers of support. For those schools that are
in serious trouble, the alumni can write or visit their local, city, and
state representatives and educate them on the importance of aviation
mechanics and the schools that train them.

But don't stop at just the bureaucrats, each alumni mechanic needs to
educate local repair stations, airlines, and FBOs that they will be in
for even tougher times ahead when there are no toolboxes on the hangar
floor. We must convince them all that Part 147 schools are economic
growth poles that serve as a lightning rod that attracts new industry
and growth into an area.

For you old gray heads that are semi-retired, here's an idea. Why not
offer your services to high school shop teachers pro bono as a technical
assistant and show the younger kids what aircraft mechanics can do.
Maybe you can even convince the wood shop instructor to build an
airplane as a class project instead of making a set of matching salt and
pepper shakers.

We as individual mechanics have to get one on one with the young. We
have to show them the magic behind this profession of ours. Let's show
them how a trained mechanic can take ordinary materials like steel,
wood, and aluminum and make and maintain a machine that can fly!

At the national level, the industry trade and membership organizations
that represent maintenance, pilots, FBO, corporate, repair stations, and
regional and national air carriers better start to address this coming
mechanic shortage as soon as possible. May I recommend at least a
preliminary meeting to explore possible solutions to the mechanic
shortage to take place at the Aviation Industry Week Convention, in Las
Vegas, Nevada, that runs from March 8 to 10. At least three issues
should be addressed at this first meeting. First how do we attract young
people to our profession? Second, how do we keep Part 147 schools in
operation? Third, how do we retain good mechanics? I will also be in Las
Vegas in March giving FAA seminars at the convention. I am ready to
help. Will I see you there? Better hurry, the thin, gray line is getting
smaller.

/ Bill O'Brien is the national resource specialist for the Federal
Aviation Administration in Washington, D.C./

QUESTION:

Why go to school to become an Aircraft Mechanic when other schooled professions pay better, are more stable, and the hours of work and days off are consistent?
 
We are circling the drain as a profession. Only the unaware or desperate will choose this field. There is an oversupply of mechanics and unskilled workers at chop shops for years to come. Outsourcing is the kiss of death for us.
 
Mr. Obrien fails to factor in the changes that would come about by implementation of FAR 66 and the ARS classification.

A whole system of license holders beneath the A&P occupying any and all positions in the overhaul industry would exploit the gap in the current TWU language but allow the company to get out of paying license pay since the ARS specialties are not contractually recognized.
 
When young people I encounter ask about being an aircraft technician I urge them to steer away from the business. There are much more stable career fields available for people who are electro-mechanically inclined. There is no such thing as Technicians anymore we are all dumbed down to Aviation Workers thanks to the industrial unions. It's okay to work on aircraft when you don't read or write english who needs manuals anyway.
 
Wretched Wrench said:
We are circling the drain as a profession. Only the unaware or desperate will choose this field. There is an oversupply of mechanics and unskilled workers at chop shops for years to come. Outsourcing is the kiss of death for us.
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What data do you have that suggests that there is an oversupply of mechanics?

Mr. O' Brien states that in 5 to 7 years that the industry will change because mechanics are not being resupplied and he is a national resource specialist for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington, D.C..
 
what difference does it really make? when the demand outweighs the supply the FED's will just lower the standards to fill the gap.
 
Buck said:
What data do you have that suggests that there is an oversupply of mechanics?

Mr. O' Brien states that in 5 to 7 years that the industry will change because mechanics are not being resupplied and he is a national resource specialist for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington, D.C..
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Oh, just the experience of my laid-off co workers from AA and other airlines seeking employment as aircraft mechanics. Know any?

And, as previously mentioned, the replacement of mechanics by unskilled, untrained, inexperienced, unlicensed, illiterate and non-English speaking workers in chop shops.

I believe we at AA have OSMs doing work formerly done by licensed mechanics. What are the requirements to be hired as an OSM? I can remember a few years back, licensed, trained and experienced airline mechanics were being offered employment by AA only as SRPs.

And I said IS, not will be. My crystal ball does not go 5 or 7 years in the future, so I defer to the gentleman from the FAA in that time frame.
 
A special thanks to the twu bubba believers who show up today at our Tulsa AMFA drive kickoff meeting. Nothing gets the blood flowing like a brain dead twu believer complaining about UAL not striking. Never laughed so hard, imagine, a company-union crying about a real union not striking. This is the same union that refused to allow a strike vote with the concession vote because they didn't want to offend the compAAny.
 
Oh, just the experience of my laid-off co workers from AA and other airlines seeking employment as aircraft mechanics. Know any?


All I know is that the TWU saved 12,000 jobs brother!
 
Buck said:
What data do you have that suggests that there is an oversupply of mechanics?

Mr. O' Brien states that in 5 to 7 years that the industry will change because mechanics are not being resupplied and he is a national resource specialist for the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington, D.C..
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There probably is not an oversupply of A&P AMT's. Who in today's airline market would want to make the necessary investment of time and money for a job that is threatened with MORE CONCESSIONS and OUTSOURCING?

Until the U.S. Labor Dept recognizes A&P's as skilled labor we are doomed to inadequate compensation for our profession.If they would change the status of A&P's then we could have a MECHANICS ONLY UNION.This is the only way to ever obtain any type of representation that is CONCERNED WITH MECHANICS ONLY.
 
Wretched Wrench said:
Oh, just the experience of my laid-off co workers from AA and other airlines seeking employment as aircraft mechanics. Know any?

And, as previously mentioned, the replacement of mechanics by unskilled, untrained, inexperienced, unlicensed, illiterate and non-English speaking workers in chop shops.

I believe we at AA have OSMs doing work formerly done by licensed mechanics. What are the requirements to be hired as an OSM? I can remember a few years back, licensed, trained and experienced airline mechanics were being offered employment by AA only as SRPs.

And I said IS, not will be. My crystal ball does not go 5 or 7 years in the future, so I defer to the gentleman from the FAA in that time frame.
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Hey genius,

Some of those who are unlicensed, are the primary reason you even have a job, "period"...!!!!!

With no blueprint, there is no Machinist. With no Machinist, there is no Airplane. With no Airplane, there is no A&P :blink:

Get the picture ;)
 
High Speed Steel said:
Hey genius,

Some of those who are unlicensed, are the primary reason you even have a job, "period"...!!!!!

With no blueprint, there is no Machinist. With no Machinist, there is no Airplane. With no Airplane, there is no A&P :blink:

Get the picture ;)
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Well, if you want to go that lonely road LSMHSS, without an engineer making the blueprint, you wouldn't be staring at your computerized machine drinking coffee watching the chips fly.

I don't think he was talking about who is or is not more skilled. Just that fact that the industrial unions have continuously dumbed down all skilled trades including yours.

Don't be such a sniveling twu twit. :rolleyes: