What Do Nw Flt Crews Think?

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Get off the "POT" NWA flt. crews, and answer the ****ING QUESTION !!!!!!!!!!!!

"WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT RIDING AROUND ON SCAB MAINTAINED A/C "

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NH/BB's

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"15" replies AND ..............."775"......"VIEWS"
Somebody's "peeking" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NH/BB's

 

[awayfrmitall]

I was walking the other night in SEA and there were some FA's there. It helped generate some more news coverage up here; I saw it on the 11pm news showing them and their support.

 

[keeptheodds]

KTO,

You are wrong on the judgement that none of these high caliber scabs would be willing to work for $10 an hour.

No magsau, I am not wrong. There are certain FAA requirements that Northwest has to meet to operate their aircraft. To meet these requirements they are going to have to pay these guys what they want or they simply will not work for them. Have you seen the aviation job boards lately? Northwest has consumed a huge percentage of the contract labor force, which has driven contract prices up. There are high paying jobs out there just waiting for these guys to come and take them. Whether you care to admit it or not these guys are in demand. They will not accept a job unless the pay is right for them. They do not need a union to tell them what they should be paid or when they should work or what their job functions should be.

 

[magsau]

KTO,

You don't get it do you? There is no honor among thieves (scabs). You guys are born with the mental defect to do whatever you want and screw the group. You say no one would work for less. Perhaps in your group of lowlife scab mongers, but if you say the job situation is so bad, how about the guy getting out of a&p school. Bet he would be willing to do your job for a couple of bucks less. Also, what happens to you and the rest of your scab lovers when the company outsources all the mtc other than the gate svc checks? You and the rest of the opportunist scab scum will be kicked to the curb.

Good luck in purgatory scab boy. Your life is not your own anymore. You will spend the rest of your days looking over your shoulder. Quite a life you have carved out for yourself.

By the way you now have a scab wife, scab children and scab dog.

Speaking of scabs I just saw one of our scabs from '85 coming in from his retirment flight. The guy could have finished with a europe, south america or day light arrival with a cake and reception in operations. Instead this POS knew his pecking order and was coming in from a west coast all-nighter with the scab wife in tow and the scab son along for the ride. Great way to go out. In the middle of the night lurking in the shadows. A little clicking sound (the offical scab alert sound) as he walked by in the hallway was enough to have him drop his head and slump out toward the parking lot for the end of a miserable life of flying. He chose the life and he had to deal with it. The scab wife and scab son got a chance to see how well respected the scab pilot was.

 

[Red Tail Bear]

Can any F/A's verify the last paragraph in this article?



Also on Thursday, lawyers for Northwest flight attendants said the airline has agreed to pay $64.7 million to settle a dispute over its failure to buy back stock granted to flight attendants for concessions in 1993

 

[Red Tail Bear]

KTO,

You don't get it do you?  There is no honor among thieves (scabs). You guys are born with the mental defect to do whatever you want and screw the group.  You say no one would work for less.  Perhaps in your group of lowlife scab mongers, but if you say the job situation is so bad, how about the guy getting out of a&p school.  Bet he would be willing to do your job for a couple of bucks less.  Also, what happens to you and the rest of your scab lovers when the company outsources all the mtc other than the gate svc checks?  You and the rest of the opportunist scab scum will be kicked to the curb. 

Good luck in purgatory scab boy.  Your life is not your own anymore.  You will spend the rest of your days looking over your shoulder.  Quite a life you have carved out for yourself. 

By the way you now have a scab wife, scab children and scab dog. 

Speaking of scabs I just saw one of our scabs from '85 coming in from his retirment flight.  The guy could have finished with a europe, south america or day light arrival with a cake and reception in operations.  Instead this POS knew his pecking order and was coming in from a west coast all-nighter with the scab wife in tow and the scab son along for the ride.  Great way to go out.  In the middle of the night lurking in the shadows.  A little clicking sound (the offical scab alert sound) as he walked by in the hallway was enough to have him drop his head and slump out toward the parking lot for the end of a miserable life of flying.  He chose the life and he had to deal with it.  The scab wife and scab son got a chance to see how well respected the scab pilot was.

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[NewHampshire Black Bears]

(OOP's)

Magsau,

Your posts (lately0 have been supurb

Keep up the good work (SERIOUSLY) !!

NH/BB's

 

[Kev3188]

(Anecdote about a scab and poetic justice)

[post="293603"][/post]​

Good post. Are you listening, KTO?

 

[RDU Jetblast]

I must say, I am very disappointed in the lack of response from the flight crews of NW.

Here is my opinion of what they are thinking:

I don't fly, I don't get paid. I don't get paid, the bills will mount. I may also be fired too which doesn't help in this economy. The company and my union tell me the aircraft are safe and I have to take their word on it.

Chances are if the replacement mechanics make a mistake that costs me my life, the company will cover him. Just like it would if a striking NW mechanic made the same mistake. The only difference is, I used to see the NW mechanic everyday. Talked to him, joked with him. I am confident that he wants a safe landing for me as much as I do. We share a vested interest in this next flight.

If he made a mistake that cost me my life he loses his career. His family will suffer the loss of income and the depression that comes with the knowledge that he killed a coworker or friend. My family won't fare much better.

But these replacement workers, I don't know. NW will cover for them after an accident and let him go. No relationship to worry about. Even if the FAA does pull his tickets, he'll crawl back to were he came from. He wouldn't lose much.

I on the other hand have a beautiful wife and three daughters. I am very involved in there lives and am proud to be able to provide for them the way I do. I carry their pictures in my wallet to keep me from being lonely in a strange hotel; To remind me why I choose to fly. If I am killed. they will have nothing. They will lose the house maybe move closer to the grand parents. Their lives would be worse. Yet, I am going to fly this puppy. I have to have faith because because my union and my employer tell me to. If I don't, I may lose my job and will have to sell the house and move closer to the in laws. I know I am being extorted but I'll play the odds. What are the chances of a crash anyway?

" Ladies and gentlemen, we are next in line for take off ".

 

[eolesen]

I think you underestimate the pilots just a bit. In almost 20 years in this industry, I've never met a pilot who would take an aircraft he or she didn't believe was airworthy. For as much as I don't agree with some of the arrogence that pilots can convey at times, I would never question their judgement when it comes to a safety of flight issue at departure time.

 

[SCEflyer]

KTO,

You don't get it do you? There is no honor among thieves (scabs). You guys are born with the mental defect to do whatever you want and screw the group. You say no one would work for less. Perhaps in your group of lowlife scab mongers, but if you say the job situation is so bad, how about the guy getting out of a&p school. Bet he would be willing to do your job for a couple of bucks less. Also, what happens to you and the rest of your scab lovers when the company outsources all the mtc other than the gate svc checks? You and the rest of the opportunist scab scum will be kicked to the curb.

Good luck in purgatory scab boy. Your life is not your own anymore. You will spend the rest of your days looking over your shoulder. Quite a life you have carved out for yourself.

By the way you now have a scab wife, scab children and scab dog.

Speaking of scabs I just saw one of our scabs from '85 coming in from his retirment flight. The guy could have finished with a europe, south america or day light arrival with a cake and reception in operations. Instead this POS knew his pecking order and was coming in from a west coast all-nighter with the scab wife in tow and the scab son along for the ride. Great way to go out. In the middle of the night lurking in the shadows. A little clicking sound (the offical scab alert sound) as he walked by in the hallway was enough to have him drop his head and slump out toward the parking lot for the end of a miserable life of flying. He chose the life and he had to deal with it. The scab wife and scab son got a chance to see how well respected the scab pilot was.

[post="293603"][/post]​

You have certainly reached a new low by dragging this individual's wife & family into this controversy. All the points you made about this individual's treatment may or not be valid, but at the same time he finished out his career, by being able to adapt to changes in your industry.

Also, you folks can use the "scab" term all you like, and employ every expletive known to man. This might make you feel better for awhile, but in the end it won't help you to get these jobs back.

Perhaps the problem is not with the man you referenced, but you and others who can't/won't adapt to a changing world.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

I think you underestimate the pilots just a bit. In almost 20 years in this industry, I've never met a pilot who would take an aircraft he or she didn't believe was airworthy. For as much as I don't agree with some of the arrogence that pilots can convey at times, I would never question their judgement when it comes to a safety of flight issue at departure time.

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I don't underestimate them. I had one beg me to ignore a torn fan blade after injesting a seagull leaving Norfolk. He had a wedding to attend in Dallas, which is where he was headed next. I grounded him. I had another tell me his radar is inop and to just see if I could fix it. He didn't put it in the book because it was his last leg and he wanted to go. I grounded him too. We were experiencing gateholds all day. Atlanta had storms.

Pilots take chances like the rest of us. And more people than you think, will turn a blind eye to things when they feel it neccessary.

OH yeah! One more war story...I told a captain on a trip check that he had oil leaking from his inlet cone. I removed the cone and came to the conclusion that the pancake gearbox o-ring failed and the flight will be canceled. I radiod my foreman to call ops, mx control and cancel the flight. He came out, took the logbook from me (no entry was made at this point-shame on me) and told me to put it all back together and to wait at the south ramp where he will have the aircraft towed until we AOG a new seal and or an engine crew. He had to discuss with MX control.

It was during the first time this airline skirted with ch 11 and cancelling flights was dangerous to your career. My foreman was a victim to pressure. He felt his career depended on the numbers. While I was waiting, The plane taxied away and, to my disbelief, it took off. At Norfolk, it lost the engine as it pulled to the gate. The pilot took the aircraft because my foreman told him it was ok. Even though I told him it was not.


No disrespect Moderaator, but pilots do take chances. And if they don't take chances, they do place a lot of faith in the information provided to them.

This pilot in my last story didn't even question the diffference of opinion and the fact that he had little more than the minimum required oil one flight out of a maintenance layover. Delta pilots are well trained and are not stupid. They do fall victim to bad info. Can any pilot be guarenteed they have the right info? When there is pressure to make the numbers look good, can you guarantee that lies won't be told? You can't.

 

[Mr T]

(OOP's)

Magsau,

Your posts (lately0 have been supurb

Keep up the good work (SERIOUSLY) !!

NH/BB's

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another MORON B)

 

[Mr T]

You have certainly reached a new low by dragging this individual's wife & family into this controversy. All the points you made about this individual's treatment may or not be valid, but at the same time he finished out his career, by being able to adapt to changes in your industry.

Also, you folks can use the "scab" term all you like, and employ every expletive known to man. This might make you feel better for awhile, but in the end it won't help you to get these jobs back.

Perhaps the problem is not with the man you referenced, but you and others who can't/won't adapt to a changing world.

[post="293719"][/post]​

Glad to see there is intelligent people reading this board, these Moron's wonder why no pilots have responded. Most pilots I've known in my nearly thirty year career are much to intelligent to engage in all of this moronic banter.

 

[NWA_NJ]

I queeried one pilot at DFW the first day of the strike. While one pilot does not speak for all, his answer was not surprising. When I asked how everything was going he said it was just fine. When I asked about the reported delays and cancellations he said, "...everything is OK for ME..."
There you have it in a nutshell. It's all about ME!
No wonder we're getting screwed. :angry: :angry:

[post="292975"][/post]​

Tony, it's kind of funny you focus on the fact that "it's all about me." That pretty much sums up the attitude of AMFA. They don't really care about the thousands and thousands of other NWA employees that risk losing their jobs if the airline goes under. You all talk about your pilot and FA brothers and sisters... but you don't really care about them. It's all about me... you nailed it.