What Do Nw Flt Crews Think?

[WNJETFIXER]

Tony, it's kind of funny you focus on the fact that "it's all about me." That pretty much sums up the attitude of AMFA. They don't really care about the thousands and thousands of other NWA employees that risk losing their jobs if the airline goes under. You all talk about your pilot and FA brothers and sisters... but you don't really care about them. It's all about me... you nailed it.

[post="293772"][/post]​

I have one question for you NWA NJ, what percentage of NWA mechanics voted to strike the airline? A union is only as strong as it's members. That goes for any union. AMFA is just the union, the mechanics actually made the decision to strike.

 

[eolesen]

KTO is, evidently, gone. Looks like the SCAB went over the edge, finally.

[post="294270"][/post]​

No, just to the cornfield I think.... if there's a spike in the number of MEL's cleared overnight, I guess we'd know he was really a replacement....

 

[Saturdaynite]

No magsau, I am not wrong. There are certain FAA requirements that Northwest has to meet to operate their aircraft. To meet these requirements they are going to have to pay these guys what they want or they simply will not work for them. Have you seen the aviation job boards lately? Northwest has consumed a huge percentage of the contract labor force, which has driven contract prices up. There are high paying jobs out there just waiting for these guys to come and take them. Whether you care to admit it or not these guys are in demand. They will not accept a job unless the pay is right for them. They do not need a union to tell them what they should be paid or when they should work or what their job functions should be.

[post="293547"][/post]​

odds,

Still the million $$$$$ question to you... If these scabs are in such demand, why are they all unemployed, just sitting around waiting to scab ??????????????

SN 😛h34r:

 

[nwamalefa]

I'm still waiting for the flight crews and pilots to check in from NWA.
I walked the picket line at NWA with the JFK guys the other day and they told us that none of their FA's or Pilots came to walk with them. :down: I find that Heinous. :angry:

What gives? Where are you guys and what are you thinking when you get on those planes? :huh:

Guys, let's try not to turn this into another all about KTO thread. I wanna see the pilots and FA's stories from NW.

[post="293230"][/post]​

I am a NWA Flight Attendant. I continue to fly but I know will be out of a job at the latest by january, most likely sooner. I talk to all the mechanics on strike. I know of one FA who refused to cross the picket line in CA and she was flown in for a rally in MSP. I know another FA who walked the picket line on her own time and was threatened with her job. She kept walking and she still has a job. I know of another FA who called in sick, and walked the picket line. She was fired. The latest rumor is there is a total of 3 flight attendants who refused to cross and NWA brought on 3 scab FA's. What the scab FA's dont realize is that they get paid the same amount as we do and will be forced to join the union in 6 months if we still have a contract regardless of a BK filing. Most pilots and all the FA's I have flown with are not talking to any of the scab mechanics. They as say hi or ask us questions. We ignore them entirely. We only talk to the managers because they have been pressed into service to fix the planes and they have been with NWA. I wish we would have walked with AMFA. I dont know if we can but we should take another vote and walk. When the time comes I am going to strike, but at the same time I know I will be done with NWA. They want to lay off half the FA's and outsource half our international with foreign nationals.

 

[Bob Owens]

Have you seen the aviation job boards lately? Northwest has consumed a huge percentage of the contract labor force, which has driven contract prices up. There are high paying jobs out there just waiting for these guys to come and take them. Whether you care to admit it or not these guys are in demand. They will not accept a job unless the pay is right for them. They do not need a union to tell them what they should be paid or when they should work or what their job functions should be.

[post="293547"][/post]​

So in other words NWA used up all the available exces so if mechanics at another carrier or two walked off the job the airline would be screwed.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I think you underestimate the pilots just a bit. In almost 20 years in this industry, I've never met a pilot who would take an aircraft he or she didn't believe was airworthy. For as much as I don't agree with some of the arrogence that pilots can convey at times, I would never question their judgement when it comes to a safety of flight issue at departure time.

[post="293718"][/post]​

What makes you think that they would know? Would you know? They may be expert at operating a system but have very little knowledge on how things actually work. The Mech could be B-S-ing them. Most crews will admit that they go by what the mechanic tells them. In my 30 years in this industry I've seen it happen many times.

Do you know the difference between airworthy and dangerous?

The fact is, even though everyone denies it, most pilots probably have knowingly flown aircraft that were not airworthy. They do this to allow the company to save money by not having maintenance or parts in out stations. They know of a problem and dont write it up because they know if they do that it will ground the aircraft, or in some cases they just call it in to see if the mech will look at it first, if he cant fix it they dont write it up until their final leg. I've seen it happen where inexperienced crew members put items in the book only to have the Captain yell at them "I told you not to put it in the book" when the plane goes out of service.

The fact is the airlines always say that safety comes first but its a lie, bottom line comes first. Obviously sending a plane out that is very likely to crash is against the bottom line, but deviations from established policies that in themselves do not pose a significant risk are often expected. Flight crews and mechanics are routinely put under pressure to deviate from the companies policy by the company that made those policies. The problem with that is that many disasters are the result of a chain minor events.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

dupe.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

I edited this post because I realized I was flaming pilots.

You pilots are a major disappointment. Your opinion really counts and you choose to remain silent. :down:

 

[PlayTheOdds]

The pilots choose to remain silent because they enjoy their jobs. I am sure that if they thought this would be a successful strike and the out come wouldn't mean the liquidation of their company they would be a lot more involved. Who in their right mind would want to be involved in a losing battle that its ultimate resolve would be unemployment?

 

[Emil.Howes]

The pilots choose to remain silent because they enjoy their jobs. I am sure that if they thought this would be a successful strike and the out come wouldn't mean the liquidation of their company they would be a lot more involved. Who in their right mind would want to be involved in a losing battle that its ultimate resolve would be unemployment?

[post="296310"][/post]​

Dear SCAB,

Is what you are doing any different?
Do you believe that you will still be employed after this is over?

-BigE

 

[TWU informer]

The pilots choose to remain silent because they enjoy their jobs. I am sure that if they thought this would be a successful strike and the out come wouldn't mean the liquidation of their company they would be a lot more involved. Who in their right mind would want to be involved in a losing battle that its ultimate resolve would be unemployment?

[post="296310"][/post]​

The Pilots are silent because of individual greed.

The SACRED COW pension of the Pilot is ALL that matters to them

They want AMFA Mechanics, IAM Ground Workers, and PFAA Flight Attendants to take concessions to the save the individual multi-million lump sum walk away and retire deal.

You are foolish to claim it is because they enjoy their jobs. It is because they retire millionaires, simple as that.

And you are hard at work to earn them their millions too.

Be sure and tell your family how hard you work daily to insure the Pilots retires a rich man.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Yes I do. Not by Northwest though I will move on to another contract. I understand that there is a new MRO opening up in Lake Charles, I might go check that out or go back to Corpus Christie. I would like to go back to Arizona but I hear that Evergreen is a sweatshop. So I can forget about that. I stick with companies that treat their contractors as if they were directs. There are a lot of MRO's out there that treats contractors as if they are replaceable. Those are the ones that ask a contract company for a hundred mechanics and end up with ten. The contract industry is a relatively small so word about a bad contract travels fast.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

TWU, if you envy pilots so much why didn't you become one?
If you are so unhappy, miserable and jealous about what everyone else has and you don't why stay in the field?

 

[TWU informer]

Yes I do. Not by Northwest though I will move on to another contract. I understand that there is a new MRO opening up in Lake Charles, I might go check that out or go back to Corpus Christie. I would like to go back to Arizona but I hear that Evergreen is a sweatshop. So I can forget about that. I stick with companies that treat their contractors as if they were directs. There are a lot of MRO's out there that treats contractors as if they are replaceable. Those are the ones that ask a contract company for a hundred mechanics and end up with ten. The contract industry is a relatively small so word about a bad contract travels fast.

[post="296324"][/post]​

Your a piece of work alright.

Moving around job to job leaves you dependent on Social Security and NO PENSION.

You sliver around like a snake from job to job screwing striking mechanics out of their pensions because you are incapable of holding a long term job.

I suspect that you are incapable of getting along with other humans. This is the real reason you move from job to job.

Your posted opinions make it clear why you rapidly become disliked and therefore you must keep moving to avoid the enemies you make as you aimlessly roam the planet.

Meanwhile the rest of us will fund your survival in your golden years because you will not have a pot to piss in.

What a guy!

 

[PlayTheOdds]

TWU you are so far from the truth of the matter. I am well liked by my coworkers and enjoy going from place to place. It gives me a much larger perspective on the country we live in. You on the other hand have probably never set foot outside the county in which you live. I'll bet you have never even seen an MRO. I'll bet the only aircraft you have ever worked are the ones in your fleet I bet your abilities are limited to what your union dictates you can do. Don't worry about my retirement it is very well in hand.