What is the rush?

[Kev3188]

Exactly my point, yet no one seems to give me a straight answer!

read post #42.

If you don't want to take their word for it, just mosey over to Google, and do a search on Mrs. Van de Water.

 

[dapoes]

Dapoes, the chair of the NMB wasn't involved with Lynx or Ryan.

Read Van de Water worked under Richard Anderson as the Director of Government Affairs at Northwest, its a conflict of interest and with some of her pension on the line...you bet she will side with management.

I don't know why you keep asking quesitons you know the answer to.

Conflict of interest my fat bum. She was at that appointment what 20 years ago? And has no connection to them now whatsoever. LOL

Heres the real story, AFA has a lot on the line, they either gain more $$$ or lose it all. So if in the chance they lose (again) then they are hoping to have an ace in their pocket when they complain to the NMB, (again) and hope for a more favorable outcome.

Its liken to when you lose at a trial. You appeal with the hopes that you get a different judge that would be more sensitive to your cause.

Its all smoke and mirrors...

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

You still haven't answered my question, if the AFA is so stigmatized by the NMB, why did they call for an election recently with Ryan and Lynx??? NMB didn't seem to be an issue for them. Doesn't that make that "NMB" excuse look like a...crock?

Dapoes, honestly this is a red herring. I know you can do better.
These two airlines (one of which I've never heard of) are like a glass of water. NW/DL is like the Atlantic Ocean.
When you go out and buy a roll of paper towels, you don't put in near the research and care you do when you buy a car.
Spin it all you want...(ah HA!, that just shows they're after the dues money, blah, blah) but it makes sense, right?
They are in it to win the election from the largest group of f/a's in the world. They're not going to leave it to chance (or to Ms Van de Water who once was on the NW Board).
Capiche? This isn't really that difficult to understand.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Conflict of interest my fat bum. She was at that appointment what 20 years ago? And has no connection to them now whatsoever. LOL

Heres the real story, AFA has a lot on the line, they either gain more $$$ or lose it all. So if in the chance they lose (again) then they are hoping to have an ace in their pocket when they complain to the NMB, (again) and hope for a more favorable outcome.

Its liken to when you lose at a trial. You appeal with the hopes that you get a different judge that would be more sensitive to your cause.

Its all smoke and mirrors...

It's not smoke and mirrors. It's called strategy. They want to make sure all the "t"'s and "i"'s are crossed and dotted. Again, not that difficult to understand.
Why take a chance with Ms. Van de Water? If you watched her testimony before Congress off of the AFA website, you can see a woman who is very bristly when confronted with her positions (often pro-corporation) on things.
BTW, THIS NMB reiterated that it was the employees decision to request a single carrier determination to file for an election. Delta was hoping they would impose one on the f/a's. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Dignity]

has a lot on the line, they either gain more $$$ or lose it all.

what most are concerned with actually is losing one of the most important issues.. Section 1 that defines Recognition/Scope.. We, the Flight Attendants have a lot on the line.

 

[dapoes]

It's not smoke and mirrors. It's called strategy. They want to make sure all the "t"'s and "i"'s are crossed and dotted. Again, not that difficult to understand.
Why take a chance with Ms. Van de Water? If you watched her testimony before Congress off of the AFA website, you can see a woman who is very bristly when confronted with her positions (often pro-corporation) on things.
BTW, THIS NMB reiterated that it was the employees decision to request a single carrier determination to file for an election. Delta was hoping they would impose one on the f/a's. Why do you suppose that is?

Well if these past two weeks are any indicator im sure whom over he (Obama) appoints will get bogged down in some kind of ethics problem...tax issue, porn, etc.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Well if these past two weeks are any indicator im sure whom over he (Obama) appoints will get bogged down in some kind of ethics problem...tax issue, porn, etc.

OK, so now you're going to deflect and comment on the problems with SOME of Pres. Obama's appointments.

Again, why do you think Delta thought this NMB would impose a Single Carrier Determination on the FA work group? (Even THIS NMB said no doing. It's up to the employees. )Makes you wonder though if Ms. Van de Water was ready to do it but the other two members (1 Rep, 1 Dem) outvoted her. Wonder if we'll ever know.

 

[dapoes]

OK, so now you're going to deflect and comment on the problems with SOME of Pres. Obama's appointments.

Again, why do you think Delta thought this NMB would impose a Single Carrier Determination on the FA work group? (Even THIS NMB said no doing. It's up to the employees. )Makes you wonder though if Ms. Van de Water was ready to do it but the other two members (1 Rep, 1 Dem) outvoted her. Wonder if we'll ever know.

I have no idea.

 

[tech2101]

Conflict of interest my fat bum. She was at that appointment what 20 years ago? And has no connection to them now whatsoever. LOL

Heres the real story, AFA has a lot on the line, they either gain more $$$ or lose it all. So if in the chance they lose (again) then they are hoping to have an ace in their pocket when they complain to the NMB, (again) and hope for a more favorable outcome.

Its liken to when you lose at a trial. You appeal with the hopes that you get a different judge that would be more sensitive to your cause.

Its all smoke and mirrors...

Are you really that dense? Source

Read Van de Water, current Chairman of the National Mediation Board effective July 1, 2008, has served as a Member of the Board since 2003, and previously as Chairman from July 1, 2005, through June 30, 2006. Ms. Van de Water was sworn in as a Board Member on December 11, 2003, after being nominated by President George W. Bush in September, and unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate on December 9, 2003.

Ms. Van de Water served from 2001-2003 as the Assistant Secretary for Aviation and International Affairs at the U.S. Department of Transportation. Previously she served as the legislative counsel for international trade and investment with The Business Roundtable and as legislative counsel and director of government affairs for Northwest Airlines. She also was employed on Capitol Hill as an appropriations associate and legislative assistant.

A native of Charlotte, North Carolina, Ms. Van de Water graduated from the University of the South (Sewanee) in 1986. She received a master's degree from The George Washington University and her J.D. from The Georgetown University Law Center.

Ms. Van de Water is married to Mark Van de Water and they have three children. They reside in Warrenton, Virginia.

Here is more:

Link

Thursday, October 18, 2001
Contact: Ben Langer
Telephone: 202-366-5580
DOT 108-01

Secretary Mineta Welcomes Read Van de Water To U. S. Transportation Department As Assistant Secretary for Aviation, International Affairs

U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta welcomed Read Van de Water as the Department's new Assistant Secretary of Transportation for Aviation and International Affairs. Van de Water was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on Sept. 21 and sworn in on Sept. 25.

Read's long experience in business, government and economic and trade policy will be a great asset to the Department and the country,U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta said. I will look to her for leadership, especially as we increase our international aviation agreements and implement the NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) truck and bus provisions.
I am honored to be selected by President Bush and Secretary Mineta for the team at the U.S. Department of Transportation, and I look forward to helping advance the Administration's ambitious agenda for the United States in international aviation and trade,Ms. Van de Water said.

Van de Water is the founder of Carson King Consulting, an employment consulting and placement service for people in government and public affairs, which she has managed since 2000. From 1997 to 1999, she was the legislative counsel for international trade and investment with the Business Roundtable, and from 1991 to 1997, she served as legislative counsel and director of government affairs for Northwest Airlines. She served as appropriations associate and legislative assistant to U.S. Congressman Tom DeLay (Texas) from 1987 to 1991.

Van de Water graduated from the University of the South in 1986. She received a master's degree from The George Washington University and her J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center.

More:

CIAO TO OUR OUTGOING LABOR SECRETARY CHAO
Our outgoing Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, longest serving member of the original Cabinet appointments in the current Bush administration, wife of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and member of the board of directors for thirteen corporations that included Northwest Airlines, will be leaving behind a legacy that is pro-corporation and anti-labor. During her tenure, Secretary Chao has forced locked-out longshoremen back to work without a fair contract, slashed safety and health standards for workers -- especially those in the mining industry -- and gave businesses advice (on DOL’s website) on how not to pay workers’ overtime by manipulating worker’s wages and salary thresholds. Her husband, Senator McConnell, voted against minimum wage increase and voted for cutting pay for tipped workers in seven states. In return, they’ve received campaign contributions, personal gains, and professional appointments and opportunities. All in all, under Secretary Chao’s
leadership, we’ve seen a loss of close to 2.4 million jobs in 2008. American workers saw no improvement in unemployment benefits or re-employment assistance. We look toward the future with Secretary of Labor Nominee Hilda Solis, who is expected to look out for American labor’s best interest, and protect workers’ health, safety, and economic security.

Geez...

 

[dapoes]

So your point is what? A position that she held over a decade ago is somehow relevant today. That's a bit of a stretch. It would be a true conflict of interest if she was still predently associated, or even recently. But over a decade ago? :blink:

 

[jalbalpa]

Now lets compare that to the Bio of current Delta executives...

Ruchard Anderson
http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate...phies/anderson/

In 1990, he began a 14-year career at Northwest Airlines where he served as Vice President and deputy general counsel; Senior Vice President of Technical Operations and Airport Affairs; executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and as Chief Executive Officer from 2001 to 2004.

Michael Becker
http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate...raphies/becker/

Becker joined Northwest Airlines in May 1993. Prior to assuming his current position, he served as Senior Vice President – Human Resources from August 2001 to May 2005 and before that he served as Vice President – International, where he was responsible for all financial, administration and operations functions for the airline’s Atlantic and Pacific divisions. He also has been Northwest’s Managing Director of Corporate Human Resources.

Doug Steenland
http://investing.businessweek.com/business...&symbol=NWA

Mr. Steenland served in a number of executive positions since joining Northwest Airlines Corp. in July 1991 including an Executive Vice President and Chief ... Corporate Officer from September 1999 to April 2001; an Executive Vice President of Alliances, General Counsel, and Secretary from January 1999 to September 1999; an Executive Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary from June 1998 to January 1999; and Senior Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary from July 1994 to June 1998.

Richard Hirst
http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate...raphies/bhirst/

Hirst joined Northwest Airlines in 1990 as Senior Vice President – General Counsel and in 1994 assumed the post of Senior Vice President – Corporate Affairs which he held until he resigned in 1999.

So...it looks like Ms. Van de Water probably enjoyed a healthy relathionship with those are are top executives at Delta today.


I hope this takes care of any further debates and confusion. :unsure:

Ms. Van de Water left Northwest Air Lines in 1997, less then 12 years ago.

 

[jalbalpa]

So your point is what? A position that she held over a decade ago is somehow relevant today. That's a bit of a stretch. It would be a true conflict of interest if she was still predently associated, or even recently. But over a decade ago?

Yeah actually it is.

If someone was a member of the KKK 12 years ago, would you have him sit as a juror in a trial involving hate crimes?

 

[dapoes]

Yeah actually it is.

If someone was a member of the KKK 12 years ago, would you have him sit as a juror in a trial involving hate crimes?

Oh brother give me a break...now you really are stretching (the BS).

 

[tech2101]

So your point is what? A position that she held over a decade ago is somehow relevant today. That's a bit of a stretch. It would be a true conflict of interest if she was still predently associated, or even recently. But over a decade ago? :blink:

I know you are not that naive.

 

[jalbalpa]

I know you are not that naive.

Who knows...you know what they say..."you learn something new everyday"