What is the rush?
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dapoes
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Im sure your entirely mistaken about that.
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Under the RLA, CBA's have no end. But I assume you're thinking about what happens if the AFA loses the election to represent all DL/NW F/A's, and if so it raises an interesting point - what happens to the NW AFA contract if AFA loses the election. Off the top of my head I don't remember a similar situation among the big airlines, but would assume that the group would become "at will" employees.
Again, assuming you're talking about future mergers then yes. Most contracts deal mainly with working conditions, pay, retirement, etc. Only a small part deals with mergers or fragmentation, but the reason they're small parts is that it's pretty simple language and doesn't take pages and pages of the contract. For example, AFA has strict DOH integration in it's constitution so an AFA negotiated contract would presumably have that language in it, possibly with some additional language to cover the situation where a future merger partner was unrepresented or represented by a different union.
If you're talking about negotiating a joint contract with the integration of the two sides of a current merger in mind, that is at least in theory possible - it's what the new pilot's union at US is attempting to do as a way around the arbitrator's ruling on seniority integration. I'm certainly no labor lawyer, but it seems that a union has pretty wide latitude within which to negotiate how seniority is determined. There is also a fair amount of case law saying that a union can't do anything to favor one group of those it represents at the expense of another group without violating it's duty of fair representation. A DFR suit is not in federal court over this and will add to the case law one way or the other. In short, it's a murky area and you can probably get a lawyer to tell you what you want to hear.
Jim
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That should have read "become amendable."
I believe this is correct.
Thanks for the rest of the info.
Why is it always considered unfair if your side doesn't win?
Look in the mirror and say that.
Companies fight just as hard as unions when elections don't go their way.
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Tech2101 said:
A good man does not have to convince someone of doing anything his way...his actions speak for themself...its the ones who attempt to place blame on someone else you have to keep an eye on..regarding their true intent...(that goes both ways...)
pay attention to all of it..
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I will try to get this thread back on topic. The discussion in the ATL meetings was about moving forward. Bagboy has quoted one local manager which may or may not be a valid quote. I was suspicious about the quote because Delta management does not even want to refer to union representation in any way. I asked a manager point blank about what was discussed in the ATL meetings and I also asked specifically if union representation was discussed at all in any way in the meetings. There were no discussions about union representation at these meetings. If in fact this particular manager said anything about a union vote and wanting it done as quickly as possible is maybe the company wants to know how the ramp personnel want to continue so the company can move forward regardless if they are union or not. I have to consider the source of the information that started this thread. This person wants to vote for union then quit. Why did it start such an arguement?
you do realize that doesnt actually mean something was never said before.. maybe he told you what you needed to hear?
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Yes they do.
Have you not read any of the many corporate communications that have come out regarding this very topic?
... And yes, NWA mangers across the system are in fact badgering their employees to "hurry up and vote."
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First off, please don't refer to me as "it". Second, I didn't want to have to quit. Working for a company that has proven over the years to show zero loyalty to its outstation employees (farm out), puts a family man like myself in the position of moving on. Without a union to protect my rights and Delta running the show I have no other choice. It isn't a secret that I don't care for your organization. Delta continues to call itself one of the greatest and continues to come in behind many other airlines in many categories. Could you transfer the bags already.
As to your source, the fact that you are so close to management says to me that you can't be very objective on the matter. I am sure that your manager tells you the truth with the open relationship that we hear about everyday but never see.
I, on the other hand, may not be very objective on the subject do to my piss poor attitude on this merger. With lay offs announced weekly I am not feeling the synergy. That being said, I have heard more people singing my same tune around these blogs than the Kumbaya crap that we hear form your camp.
Right or wrong, the company will continue to play its games of misinformation and the unions will get the truth to the people. We will have OUR vote in due time. On our schedule, not managments.
to be quite honest, personally have not experienced one NW Flight Attendant Manager even remotely mentioning anything of the sort. that does not mean some have not encouraged elsewhere in other departments, but I have not witnessed that.
I have heard of poster campaigns being put up in lounges at DL during the actual voting times.. before, I would assume a manager would be involved in that however..
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Why are you so afraid of a vote?
