Who's Defending Unionism?

[RowUnderDCA]

see below

and I'll add. It does seem to me that unions would do better to campaign for the hearts and minds of their own members rather than take their money and use it for advertising and spin.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

The post-war middle class, socially mobile society that most of us grew up in was the result of a society coming together in income and shared markets, goals, aspirations. Now, we are disintegrating. If you like a feudal society, you'll love your kids' future, but it won't be like your past. We're already at the point were because of huge differences in basic hygiene issues like a safe home, real educational opportunities and decent health care, that one 'bad throw of the dice' and an individual's ability to assure a place in the middle class for themselves and their children is in serious jeopardy.

I'm NOT for making equal results, I am for honestly recognizing the cultural and societal results of an economy that is spinning into two (for lack of better rhetoric haves and have nots). There ARE real consequences and not just a great market for brick wall masons.

 

[markkus757]

Please, by all means, keep writing about how my taxes are going to help all the people who refuse to help themselves in life. By the way, war is the only way you defeat evil. Hitler and Tojo weren't going away; Europe made that critical mistake of just trying to "think about" the problems they were facing and it almost cost them dearly. Please don't shove this cradle to grave crap in my face. I work hard and I help myself in life. There was a reason why Communism fails. There is a reason why the european ecomomies do not grow at all. There is no incentive to work hard. It doesn't matter whether you think the economy is good or bad, someone is always losing their job. Your success depends on whether you're going to roll over or adapt to the challenges ahead.

 

[markkus757]

There is a reason why we are run like Europe. We rebelled against Europe to get away from their ideals. Now, for some reason certain people want these ideals. Let's no go there. They have tremendous problems with their economies that will not be fixed with the current attitudes. Cradle to grave is a bad idea for us who work hard and have adapted to changing times. Fantasyland is in Europe. I think we still fly to there, don't we?

 

[MrAeroMan]

Yeah, right, because the left wing doesn't do any brainwashing of its own. I just read a bunch of it in your post, PitBull. More than 80% of Americans have CableTV. Most of them know where CNN is. How many know where PBS is? How many know where the History Channel is? Who's fault is that?

War and guns are good because without them we'd be ruled by the Queen or, even worse, speaking German or Japanese. We've built this country up on defense because we were the "little" guy and broke out of the opression.

Gay marriages are bad because there are no religions(without crazy interpretations) that recognize a marriage as two of the same sex. DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS allowing the same rights as man/woman marriages are okay, and both the left and right has said so.

There is no affordable healthcare, and if the left has told you there is, just look back to Bill and Hillary. Kerry would have failed miserably if he tried it again.

Outsourcing is good. It improves the bottom line of companies so they can hire more skilled labor. If you're not more skilled than someone who can answer a phone or turn a wrench, then you should look outside the box and think how you can use your brain better to your advantage. Look at the preliminary annual results for companies across all sectors - profits are improving and with that, so are open job positions.

We are in a global economy. This is not just the US economy. So, darn right we should support other countries. Especially if it will impact on trade agreements that help keep our taxes in check. It's a very intricate equilibrium. If this country had a big wall around it to allow no trade, we'd pay much higher taxes.

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Great post!!

 

[deano]

Great post!!

[post="235168"][/post]​

DITTO DITTO...I LOVE YOU, GIVE ME HUG MAN


Now back to sitting on my a-z-z and collecting my welfare checks while you buffoons take care of me, and thanks for the disability checks my son ands wife get too, that helps out, a little.

 

[Oliver Twist]

PHL,

The "right wing" believe that anyone over 40 should work for a buck an hour, no affordable health care, or be euthenized. If they could make that public and legal....baby boomer blue collar worker, skilled and unskilled would be in "gas chambers".

Clinton era, in retrospect were one of the greatest 8 years in the past 30, and I was a regestered, damn Repbulican then.

[post="234827"][/post]​

Opps, I think I need higher boots, it's getting a bit deep in here. How ridiculous can you get?

 

[A320 Driver]

Damn Repbulicans...who needs em?

A320 Driver 😛

 

[diogenes]

Corporate greed and achieving the lowest cost are exclusive of one another.



In theory, perhaps. And here and there, perhaps true.

Enron was about lowering energy costs. And about greed.

Wal Mart is about lowering costs. And the top guys are doing well; the ranks - not so good. Ironically, when Sam founded the company, the jobs he offered the ranks were decent pay.

Here is how I think about what's going on.

15 years ago, GM was the largest corporation on earth. Think about shareholder value and employee compensation.

Now, Wal Mart is the largest corporation. Look at the same metrics.

As the Econ 102 prof said, compare and contrast.

We certainly weren't socialist 15 years ago. Shareholders were not in revolt.

Any way you slice it, wealth is being transferred from the middle class to the ownership society.

 

[diogenes]

see below

and I'll add. It does seem to me that unions would do better to campaign for the hearts and minds of their own members rather than take their money and use it for advertising and spin.

[post="235084"][/post]​

R.U.D, you just don't know how right you are.

If unions don't reinvent themselves soon, they will go out of business.

The shame is, if the unions would return to first principles, they'd be a natural sell.

 

[Bob Owens]

R.U.D, you just don't know how right you are.

If unions don't reinvent themselves soon, they will go out of business.

The shame is, if the unions would return to first principles, they'd be a natural sell.

[post="235258"][/post]​

Therein lies the problem, they have become too much of a business instead of a union, often run by those who management would not hire.

Over at the TWU they make rejected local officers International officers. Last summer while being deposed for a lawsuit TWU International rep Bobby Gless could not even identify what an Industrial union was!

Loyalty to International officers takes precedence over competance or ideology. After several generations of this is it any wonder that unions have become so utterly ineffective?

 

[PITbull]

Please, by all means, keep writing about how my taxes are going to help all the people who refuse to help themselves in life. By the way, war is the only way you defeat evil. Hitler and Tojo weren't going away; Europe made that critical mistake of just trying to "think about" the problems they were facing and it almost cost them dearly. Please don't shove this cradle to grave crap in my face. I work hard and I help myself in life. There was a reason why Communism fails. There is a reason why the european ecomomies do not grow at all. There is no incentive to work hard. It doesn't matter whether you think the economy is good or bad, someone is always losing their job. Your success depends on whether you're going to roll over or adapt to the challenges ahead.

[post="235116"][/post]​

And I guess, by your post, you are going to try to convince many on here that the American economy is thriving???? Talking about Europe, the Euro is majorly stonger than ever against the dollar.

Losing jobs, a War, costing the tax payers billion and billion and billions, with no end in sight. No affordable health care for Americans. SS is in trouble, our kids who are educated have a hard time finding jobs...

But, things are great in the god loving Americas.

Watch Lou Dobb CNN tonight on the American jobs going to China. A Nation in crisis.

 

[eolesen]

Perhaps unions have simply outlived their original purpose?

Today, you have Federal Minimum Wage, Social Security, Medicare, OSHA, and lots of other legislation which reflects what the unions were trying to achieve for the working man 100 years ago.

Unions still are tasked with obtaining fair wages and fair working conditions for their members, but providing all of those fair wages and working conditions has continually caused many US companies out of the global economy.

This isn't meant as a slam to unions, but the numbers pretty much speak for themselves here. More and more jobs head overseas every day, mainly because things like minimum wage, OSHA, etc. don't impact the cost of building widgets nearly as much as they do here in the US....

 

[mweiss]

Though, interestingly, the best example of an employee class that has reason to be unionized is the Wal-Mart front line employee. It's hard to offshore them...

 

[Boomer]

The best realized utility among the Union Class are those Union Members working at Southwest Airlines.

SWA acknowledges the product produced by ranking their Employees above their Customers: while compensating them WELL ABOVE Legacy Carriers.