Why is the IAM not telling fleet what was offered

[pjirish317]

Freedom,
Ask Ron Roth why section 6 negotiations for the West is not being scheduled and see what he sez. Ask him why they were not ongoing these past 2 years? If he really is looking out for you he will not BS you with why the transition agreement was to best route to go. If a transition agreement was the best way, why did it take 2 years to get the first offer? Then when it was shot down, for whatever reasons, they went back to the table knowing that Fleet Service would not accept a concessionary agreement no matter what. Then no more talks were scheduled, unlike MX, MX has a date to return to the table. Why not Fleet? Ron should have the answers to all of these questions. Although I doubt that he will give you a straight answer to any of them.

 

[pjirish317]

I How you ended up electing leaders you don’t trust is beyond me …..

Most of them were appointed by canoli. Just like RR was promised a VP spot if he would "play ball" so to speak with canoli.

 

[freedom]

Freedom,
Ask Ron Roth why section 6 negotiations for the West is not being scheduled and see what he sez. Ask him why they were not ongoing these past 2 years? If he really is looking out for you he will not BS you with why the transition agreement was to best route to go. If a transition agreement was the best way, why did it take 2 years to get the first offer? Then when it was shot down, for whatever reasons, they went back to the table knowing that Fleet Service would not accept a concessionary agreement no matter what. Then no more talks were scheduled, unlike MX, MX has a date to return to the table. Why not Fleet? Ron should have the answers to all of these questions. Although I doubt that he will give you a straight answer to any of them.

You want answers , i have all that you need to know right here

THE ANSWERS , CLICK HERE ...

 

[pjirish317]

You want answers , i have all that you need to know right here

THE ANSWERS , CLICK HERE ...

I am talking actual answers from RR. Not a video that he agreed with. It seems obvious that you either are blinded by the half truths he is telling, or just do not want to admit that RR is fully entrenched in canoli's camp. And is trying to sell you guys in PHX some oceanfront property.

 

[freedom]

I wonder PJ , are we the ones blinded or are you ? You guys have been sold down river so many times your just riding like a log down it now …First it was the men you elected , then the COC , what next I wonder ?

No the reason I’ll keep using that video over and over and over is because it’s actual proof of our action along with the whole flier incident …we’re the ones moving and too many of you are just floating down the river again … don’t get sucked in by all the BS …. Vote for ron !

 

[pjirish317]

I Vote for ron !

I'm sorry freedom, I will not vote for anybody that was promised a VP spot. It is fishy that he was hand picked by canoli. If he is running on canoli's slate, he does not have a prayer. All that I asked you to do was ask him those questions. Will you? I would like to know what he says. You can PM me with the answers instead of posting them. Heck I'll pm you with my phone # for that matter. Just ask him.

 

[mike33]

I wonder PJ , are we the ones blinded or are you ? You guys have been sold down river so many times your just riding like a log down it now …First it was the men you elected , then the COC , what next I wonder ?

No the reason I’ll keep using that video over and over and over is because it’s actual proof of our action along with the whole flier incident …we’re the ones moving and too many of you are just floating down the river again … don’t get sucked in by all the BS …. Vote for ron !

Freedom,

I truely admire all that PHX is doing, but I cannot endorse someone who cannot include all as a whole. The following leads me to believe that he would settle for $$ for one side and not anything else. Hell the top West would get a pay cut! and lose vacation!!!!!!!!!

This is double talk!!!!

" In conclusion:
My priorities in these negotiations are: pay parity, job security and protection of current contract provisions i.e. vacations and paid sick leave.
I do not want extended discussions without hope of ratification"

What the hell does that mean? Negotiations have no time table if ur not in sec-6!!
.
"If it appeared that ratification were not possible, I would accept the current IAM contract, which would provide West pay parity. (ONLY, I MIGHT ADD.)

Not acceptable for me...

 

[necigrad]

If "the answers" are a group of 50 people standing around looking like they're practicing synchronised swimming out on the ramp we're in big trouble. I commend those that participated for the intent, but that won't work. The "walk to BK" was the right idea. Management doesn't care, don't show them. Show the passengers. Get a picket permit from the City and picket at curbside. Show the PASSENGERS what US Airways is doing. Parker sees the bottom line. If passengers start rethinking their airline choice that will bring results. You'll also likely get some good press coverage if you let the right people know.

 

[mike33]

Freedom,

The difference between the east and west is this:

The east has a contract that was, for all entents and purposes, imposed on them due to the environment. The east doesn't like it but in due course they will

reap the rewards in due time. They are patient. Section six is on the horizon for them.

unfortunately our sec-6 was set aside for personal gains. I will bet that there isn't a union in this country that wouldn't like to transition its' membership

knowing that one side had a contract and the other was in section six. Wow, how powerful would that be? Well we don't. Until RR or the IAM can say it's

coming, then its up to you guys to make ur voices heard in any way you can. The east will not participate to that extent. But, what they can do is change

the course of these negotiations with the one voice they have and that is in the elections.

P.S.
Your doing a good job so far

sonofsamsonite

 

[Jester]

Freedom You ask why bring up the COC again. Its because it is still an issue. We lost the COC decision this time but it is still in our contract. The arbitrators decision did not remove it. The COC is alive and well and it is a big hurdle to get over in order for someone to buy us out. If United came in and aquired US the COC would be instutited and the sandcastle knows this. They would like nothing better than to remove it but cannot do so without a new T/A that takes it out of play. That in itself is one of the reasons they came to the table in the first place.

I seem to have heard this before:

"As I understand Bloch's ruling, it did not void the CIC language within the current CBA, but only as it was being used improperly through the multi-buyer context of a company in bankruptcy. So if there was a true 'take over' by another company or leadership, the snapback clause would become the poison pill for which Parker said himself would have made the original US Airways deal financially impractical. This snapback would apply to more than FS too, so the total expense to a prospective buyer during a take over would sour the deal.

The CIC language would be a high priority to eliminate from any future TA for management, and it could be used as leverage and explain why management has returned to the table. That might mean there could be job protections built into a trade along with higher pay in exchange for the removal of CIC langauge." --- Jester, Jan. 31, 2008

So Repeats Jester.

 

[b737200]

This truly is the start of a historic period of District 141.

Only once in my recolection has anyone run against the district officers and the agc's. It was
a lone wolf from pit, a guy by the name of John Alicino, tried to oust former agc tom Michlavic.
John won the nominations but was run through the wringer by the district lawyers, but finally
prevailed after getting the dept of labor involved. He never took the post, as I understand, because
he would have been an outcast and shunned by the district so he took his retirement and left.
TIM probably know the entire story and the specifics.

As the new slate is nominated across the country this should send a message to those who are not up for reelection this time around. Do your job, represent the people who pay your salaries. Failure to voice your
opinions the general chair due to the fear retaliation will no longer be tolerated.

" cheap suites" , goldenram(rod), the belly warmer, and any others who fall in the up coming election
remember, the word( democratic union ) is about to finally be seen for the first time.
No more hand picked agc's or vp's to be permanently installed for life. I hope Tom Regan and those
at the international level are watching. District 141 has been in the past equivolent to a mafioso
styled run organization in the small left hand corner of a big international union.
Amen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Freedom,

I truely admire all that PHX is doing, but I cannot endorse someone who cannot include all as a whole. The following leads me to believe that he would settle for $$ for one side and not anything else. Hell the top West would get a pay cut! and lose vacation!!!!!!!!!

This is double talk!!!!

" In conclusion:
My priorities in these negotiations are: pay parity, job security and protection of current contract provisions i.e. vacations and paid sick leave.
I do not want extended discussions without hope of ratification"

What the hell does that mean? Negotiations have no time table if ur not in sec-6!!
.
"If it appeared that ratification were not possible, I would accept the current IAM contract, which would provide West pay parity. (ONLY, I MIGHT ADD.)

Not acceptable for me...

To the 19 stations, as I have said, all your west negotiators [MR, RR] and TEAM CANALE are willing to throw you under the bus. Geez, even though I know RR agreed to Canale's agenda, I still can't believe he would say that he would throw those 19 stations under the bus by virtue of accepting the east contract. To those 19 stations, don't worry, Ron doesnt have the juice to accept the east contract because 87% of the east side would prohibit him and Canale from doing so without a fair contract.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair 1487, Chicago

 

[GoldenRam94]

But there should be a sense of urgency with the I'll Ask Management to take care of it's members. They are doing it with MX, why not Fleet? Like I said, why is Fleet Service being punished for voting "NO" an essentially kicking canoli right in the nutz in the eyes of the company, when he guarenteed that the T/A would go through. Why does the I'll Ask Management continue to treat Fleet Service like the red-headed step-child?

I am not sure that you could say this is a form of punishment. What management offered in September was sub-standard, but in their eyes it was the best they could do. Management is not going to flinch at this point. They have no reason to come to Fleet and get anything. They have moved onto MX, will talk to the Pilots, a group that will be much tougher to deal with, and throw a pile of steaming crap at the FA's and they like always will accept it.

The reality facing fleet right now, is you must sit back and wait until next December before you see a contract at the earliest. For the workers on the West side get a little bit of this:

It will help with the Great Pain you are going to have to work with for another 9-12 months. Go ahead and circle around some tugs on the ramp and sing Koombaya because that really frustrates management 🙂

Who is really at fault? Cornhole and his team? Fleet workers? Outside Union Organizers? A little bit of both on all sides. Management sees the division, and they are taking advantage of it, and loving it. We all hear that management needs labor to get a merger, well the labor they need is Pilot and Mechanics. The other work groups are like the blue water in the back of the plane, not very attractive but you need to have it and Wall Street sees these as something that can be easily changed. Right or wrong, that is the reality.

Do I care that you are voting out your leaders at this time? Not at all. These guys represented themselves for years, what I find absolutely funny is that it took you until 2007 and 2008 to figure it out. Think about it though, you guys put Arms, Flynn, Chandlee, and all the other Thugs and know nothings in charge. You put them in the 100K club now you act surprised when you get what you got. Did it ever dawn on you that you have only ever gotten what you did by coincidence and not because of these thugs??

I will now let you return to your regularly scheduled bickering!

 

[700UW]

Actually they did not put them in charge.

Whenever an DL Pres, FS, AGC are not going to run again, they step down early and they appoint a replacement before the election.

The way the district bylaws are it always favors the incumbent not a challenger, as the current reps use their position to do a "station visit" even though it is not their station right at nomination time.

It is hard for a challenger to take the time and money to visit all the stations to get on a ballot.

 

[b737200]

SUPER TUESDAY AT DISTRICT 141............................HISTORY IN THE MAKING

Be a part of it, nominate and vote for the new direction team.

Life will be good after the dead wood is washed away by the flood of fleet service anger.
"cheap suites" and his slate of super glued lipped agc's will be mounted and rode out of the barn.
PF and the belly warmer will get caught up in the collateral damage and be gone.

The COC is now more important than ever, thanks to the abitrator, the language is now
more defined and more important to fleet negotiations. Al and company know this.