What's the secret? We need to know what is the USAIR proposal before we vote on the AA last best offer. We have to compare both. Is not logic that TWU backup USAIR merger proposal without knowing details of this airline proposal to us. We need to be informed.
Why TWU is holding information?
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I agree 100%!! So why is the TWU not letting us in on the details? Well it's TWU business as usual.
We can always vote no on the upcoming proposal and see what happens or vote yes and get screwed anyway.
What's the difference if we vote yes or no? We will never see the USAir merger details anyway.
We can always vote no on the upcoming proposal and see what happens or vote yes and get screwed anyway.
What's the difference if we vote yes or no? We will never see the USAir merger details anyway.
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No it has to do with two things.
The TWU is powerless in this situation, and dues collection is king!
The TWU is powerless in this situation, and dues collection is king!
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<_< ------- I believe both wings, and informer are correct!
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They can do that brother.
Before we vote? I'm sure this is an obvious question to most people but when you say we do you mean the UCC or the employees collectively or the union members collectively?
I just want to better understand the voting process, at what points does it happen and what weight it might carry.
Thank you
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I don't think USAir wants to merge with AA until the BK proceedings are complete. They have to know a merger can take a year. Sure they are showing interest...but why would they want to merge a bankrupt airline?
Thank you for bearing with me through my newbishness.
So, the TWU employees can vote on what exactly? I assume in this case they are voting on a potential USAir proposal/The AMR proposal/Allowing the Judge to rule on the 1113 proceeding, is that right?
If so, will the voters at the TWU get information not made publicly available? For example:
1113 Rejection of CBA - WIkipedia
From the link (I inserted the step numbers):
When a company seeks to reject or modify a collective bargaining agreement under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code, Bankruptcy Code 1113, entitled Rejection of Collective Bargaining Agreements, clarifies the circumstances under which such agreements may be rejected. Section 1113 ( B ) and ( c ) generally require the following steps:
1. The debtor must make a proposal to the union to modify the collective bargaining agreement anytime after filing a petition and before an application seeking rejection of the agreement.
2. The proposal must be based on the most complete and reliable information available at the time of the proposal.
The proposed modifications in employees' benefits and protections are those necessary to permit the reorganization of the debtor.
3. The proposed modifications must assure that all creditors, the debtor and all of the affected parties are treated fairly and equitably.
4. The debtor must provide the union with such relevant information as is necessary to evaluate the proposal.
5. The debtor must meet at reasonable times with the union between the time of the making of the proposal and the hearing on the application to reject the collective bargaining agreement.
6. The debtor must confer in good faith with the union in attempting to reach mutually satisfactory modifications of the agreement.
7. The union must have refused to accept the debtor's proposal without good cause.
8. The balance of equities clearly favors the rejection of the collective bargaining agreement.
Considering step 4, are the employees going to be able to have access to the relevant information as necessary to evaluate the proposal? Will this information be released to the public? Can the employees request relevant information? If AMR presents their proposal and their plan is missing a substantial savings that can be realized without causing AMR, the UCC, the shareholders or the employees any additional costs as a result utilizing the extra savings, can the unions employees reasonably demand (through vote) that the savings be included in the agreement should they not already be apart of their reorganization plan?
Consider it a thought experiment. I want to understand the process.
Thank you for your responses
We will vote on the last best offer from AA on their terms for restructuring. It will be very concessionary, but maybe a little less so than the original "ask". This vote has nothing to do with the agreements between DP and AA unions. If the vote is "yes" in the majority, the court proceedings to reject the TWU union contracts will end, but will continue for the pilots and FA's.
Because they would be "Taking Over" the bankrupt airline. Yeah they'd be considered a "merger" but US managers would be in control across the board..from the top to the bottom..which may not be a such a bad thing. How many people here are happy with the way their MOD's and CSM's treat them?
