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Several people at WHQ are under the impression that there is something of a slowdown or job action taking place, primarily in IAD. I have seen nothing in the news, and it might be buried under the freak wx we are having around the system (40KT winds at ORD forecast for Wed).

What I have heard is that it is ALPA and some flights canceling due to sick calls, but I don't know anything other than hearsay.
 
All the unions would need to do is quietly begin working to rule and there is very little the company can do to stop it. Not saying the company couldn't stop that activity, but it's much harder to prove than something like a sick-out. Sick calls and things like that are foolish because they are blatant actions that point to a deliberate, organized slowdown. It's much harder to prove a slowdown when you work to the rule of your collective bargaining agreement. But no matter how you go about it, you have to be very careful to make it look like it's just the sporadic actions of a few individuals. Anything large in nature and enough to cause harm to the operation tends to come across as an orchestrated and organized act.

But can you blame anyone for slowing down in light of the disgusting windfall that Tilton and his incompetent management team received for last year? I honestly do not know how people like Glenn Tilton and Jake Brace can wake up each morning and step onto UA property knowing how they cashed in on the backs of the employees. It's absolutely dispicable. Tilton is nothing but a pimp in Wolf's (Steven Wolf) clothing.
 
Maybe the sheer shortage of manpower numbers is beginning to show. They've got front-line employees running around like chickens with their heads cut off--eventually bodies/minds break down...Of course there's no mathematical equation that can prove/disprove that, but I'd imagine that people are getting burned out by now...JMHO
 
Maybe the sheer shortage of manpower numbers is beginning to show. They've got front-line employees running around like chickens with their heads cut off--eventually bodies/minds break down...Of course there's no mathematical equation that can prove/disprove that, but I'd imagine that people are getting burned out by now...JMHO


A very good source today, stated AA is going to experience the samething this April May 2007. AA, employess are asking for the money back that management continues to bank up on.
 
Nothing happening on the ALPA side that I know of, nor does anyone seem any more pissed off than the usual. I do know that we are short staffed for the summer on the pilot side although we've had no shortage of guys willing to help the company out through voluntary overtime.
 
Not a work action at all. Just Management's unwillingness to staff the airline properly catching up with them.. Just as we have been telling them for over a year.

I personally had a trip from he11 last week. We started with a mechanical problem that had been written up 4 times and not fixed properly due to lack of time, lack of parts, and lack of manpower.

We were over 2 hours late into ORD when we wrote up the same problem yet again! Two mechanics both agreed that the aircraft should be taken to the hangar for further troubleshooting. But a maintenance supervisor breathing down their neck strongly disagreed and tried to sign it off as "could not duplicate the problem" and send us on our merry way. We refused the airplane.

Turns out they swapped airplanes, signed it off, and talked another unknowing crew into taking it! By now we were almost 3 hours late for our flight to SEA with a new airplane when 3 flight attendants went illegal. So we wait for 3 replacements to be found. (Fat chance!) While we were waiting we realized that we were going illegal as well. (Are you getting the picture here?) We had an airplane full of annoyed passengers, 3 hours late, and both pilots and 3 F/A's walk off due to exceeding duty limits. I don’t know if they ever found enough crew members to staff that flight.

After ½ hour talking to the crew desk, they reassign us to fly to Boston. It’s a shorter flight that would keep us within our duty limit. Problem is it must depart in 25 minutes for us to be legal, and we haven’t even looked at the flight papers yet. We tell them this will never work, but they insist that we try. So off to ops and then the airplane. We arrive at the gate 3 minutes before the new (delayed) departure time. The airplane is already boarded and tensions are boiling over. We call the crew desk to inform them that we have run out of time and if we depart we will go past our duty limit again. (Just as we told them a ½ hour ago. They ask us to waive our contract limit. (Sometimes our contract is slightly more restrictive than the FAR’s.) We decide that 14 hours of duty after being up since 3:30 am is enough and refuse to waive. The Boston flight now cancels.

We layover in ORD and the crew desk reassigns us to 2 more 14 hour duty days with unrealistic turn times (that only guarantee we will go illegal again) and minimum layovers in between (which increases the chances of crew fatigue). But it looks legal on paper, so despite our objections they assign it anyway. Needless to say the next two days turned out similar to day one. We misconnected and were reassigned again. In the end we prepared for and preflighted 8 airplanes, canceled 2 flights, flew 3, and deadheaded 3 more all in 3 days.

This is just one 3 day trip for one crew. Multiply this by the number of crews out there and you can see why no work action is required to have the operation fall apart. And this MARCH folks!!! It will only get worse this summer. It takes 6 to 12 months lead time to get more crews hired trained and on line. It is far too late to do anything for this year. The problems to come lie squarely on managements shoulders. They are running this airline on a shoe string and have no ability to contend with contingencies. The only way it works is on days when there is nothing but normal ops. No weather, no sick calls, no maintenance problems, no ATC delays, nothing!

Hold on for a rough summer everyone!
 
Ok, let's first state the obvious. No union memeber is going to admit in any forum, especially this one, that their union is engaging in some sort of work slowdown. So 767jetz and others, your comments need to be taken with a hefty amount of salt.

That being said, I agree with you that it's probably nothing more than some sporadic sick calls by a few that are probably unrelated to any type of slowdown. If they were slowing down, you'd hear about it. The media goes bonkers over that kind of thing, especially for airlines they love to hate like United.

I do know from firsthand experience the dance that the folks in manpower planning do all the time over crew staffing. Sometimes the gambles pay off, sometimes they don't. And when they don't, it can really hurt by forcing cancelations that cost you a lot of money. But for those of you pilots out there, keep in mind that ALPA plays a role in that, too. Keeping down the number of available pilots in any particular schedule allows the existing pilot group the opportunity to fly extra hours each month and pad their wallet, while allowing more pilots to take vacation, etc. I don't hear people complaining about that. So this is not a completely one-sided issue.
 
We (UAL ALPA Pilots) are in the middle of a vote to slightly alter our contract. The MEC is in favor of the agreement, so why would they organize a slowdown?

The story is very simple. On Sunday, we had a system wide load factor of 94%. The other days have been similar due to the holidays. We are stretched to the breaking point as far as manpower is concerned. Throw a little weather into the mix, and things get ugly very fast.
 
767jetz and others, your comments need to be taken with a hefty amount of salt.

Keeping down the number of available pilots in any particular schedule allows the existing pilot group the opportunity to fly extra hours each month and pad their wallet, while allowing more pilots to take vacation, etc. I don't hear people complaining about that.

First off, I agree that no one would admit to an illegal work action. But I assure you that it is not the case. I must whole-heartedly disagree with several of your points.

ALPA is in the middle of a FIN (Fix It Now) campaign that is having some success repairing SOME work rule issues that are relatively cost neutral. And they are telling the members continuously (both on and off the record) that now is not the time to flex our muscle or “pull out the big guns†as they say. The word is that if it comes time to work STRICTLY by the rules, we will know. We are not there yet. Until then we do our jobs and think hard before waiving the few contract rules we still have in place.

The idea that we are deliberately “keeping down the number of available pilots†is outlandish. ALPA HAS been complaining about the manpower issue since before LAST SUMMER. And it consistently falls on deaf ears. The only thing that saved the company from a meltdown in 2006 was a relatively low number of summer weather events at the hubs. Pilots have been screaming left and right about fatigue and the number of hours they fly. Reserve pilots are screaming about the number of deadhead flights they sit on to cover open flying from other domiciles. I was actually at LGA one day when a flight took a 1 hour delay to return to the gate and get me, so I could fly a Denver flight. I was the only person available system wide to cover it!

And your assertion about more vacations is even more ridiculous! Vacation numbers are set by the company and kept at a bare minimum. They even ask pilots to voluntarily sell vacation back to them. That means they pay you for your vacation hours in cash so that you WON’T take vacation.

Here is a little known fact. Reserve coverage models used to be set on a Domicile basis. (As it should be). During the bankruptcy, some manager was replaced and the new guy had the bright idea of switching to a system wide fleet coverage model. If they are short on 767 f/o’s for example, no problem since they have enough reserves in Chicago or Denver or even as far away as San Francisco or Seattle. So manpower projection was reduced and this guy got a bonus for all the money he “saved.†But now you have a severe weather event in Denver. The reserve you were hoping to dead head to NY to cover a flight to LA is now stuck in Denver. So the LA flight is cancelled and the reason they post on the board is “crew.†Eventually this reserve who is at the airport burning up his legal duty time now goes illegal. But we have a flight finally departing Denver with no f/o. No problem. Send in a pilot from Chicago. But wait… All the flights from Chicago to Denver are still cancelled. Get the picture?

The manpower plan is broken, and ALPA has been trying to fix it for over a year. The single biggest thing that would improve every pilot's quality of life and improve schedule reliability and customer satsifaction is additional manpower. (For all work groups) It would mean seniority advancement and progression that leads to more pay and better schedules much easier than picking up a few extra hours here and there. It is simply money the company is unwilling to spend. It’s more important to reward the same people responsible for the mess.
 
I havent posted in a while but have experienced a lot of the disruptions you describe.

I was flying to LAX every week last year and was astonished at the lack of staffing at the gate.

Tilton and crew have got to go. They're not running an airline, just waiting to sell out. They have nothing strategic to say at investment conferences other than they still see consolidation as possible.

You might all jump down my throat about Wolf, but at least the man was strategic.
 
wolf.webp

Strategic? Prehaps, but first things first. I will now take your fleet and paint it a hideous blue and grey color!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I havent posted in a while but have experienced a lot of the disruptions you describe.

I was flying to LAX every week last year and was astonished at the lack of staffing at the gate.

Tilton and crew have got to go. They're not running an airline, just waiting to sell out. They have nothing strategic to say at investment conferences other than they still see consolidation as possible.

You might all jump down my throat about Wolf, but at least the man was strategic.

Sure you did not mean 'parasitic'?
Even Tilton does not need a 'bullet proof' glass office or an armored limo. 😛


B) UT
 
Sure you did not mean 'parasitic'?
Even Tilton does not need a 'bullet proof' glass office or an armored limo. 😛
B) UT

I think they're 'on order'...along with some more front-line management to really delv into the problem and/or harrass the front-line employees into submission. :blink:
 

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