2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[AANOTOK]

Just repeating what has been written, ograc. But you are correct, until the day arrives and it's implemented, we will wait and see. CEO, no not me, that's too much money to worry about.

 

[P. REZ]

What pisses me off is that once again the Company decides something and doesn't talk to the Union. When is this Company going to respect us and our contract? I am really tired of the disrespect. DP, your New Year's resolution should include respecting your US employees for once. 
 
P. Rez

 

[Solidarity]

What pisses me off is that once again the Company decides something and doesn't talk to the Union. When is this Company going to respect us and our contract? I am really tired of the disrespect. DP, your New Year's resolution should include respecting your US employees for once. 
 
P. Rez

DP is a D............ick

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do I expect a section 6 agreement by summer? Yes. A transition agreement by summer? No. But I could be wrong. I grievance will be filed if they violate our current contract. My point is by the time it is implemented, who knows of it will be a violation then. Travel benefit as you know is given to all the work groups, not just fleet. It's a privilege that the company will argue they don't even have to give you. I know our travel policy is pretty liberal compared to some other airlines.

A member from the CWA said that the CWA has already filed a grievance on the matter. I'm not sure if it's true or not but maybe FO can contact the CWA to see. If the company wants to change the boarding policy, and it does by its own admission, then it should have scheduled a meeting to discuss the matter with the union.  Acting unilaterally, without scheduling a meeting with the union over a condition in the contract, is dangerous.   Of course, the implication of all of this is that it fully expects to have settled a section 6 contract with DL141 and DL142. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Enough of the jerking off of this membership. Why hasn't Robbedagain's grievance been arbitrated yet?  WTH is the holdup?  In fact, everyone loves pointing the finger at AH but the contract sets time limits that OUR union leadership simply does NOT follow....OR....our union leadership buries things in the mediation wasteland.  How many arbitrations did DL141 win this past year? Not talking about how many times we settled prior to arbitration but according to the LM2 reports, it looks like IAM141 only arbitrated a half dozen cases or so from United and US AIRWAYS combined.  Why do grievances take 3-5 years or disappear into the Bermuda Triangle?
 
Please tell us once again, exactly what is IAM141 doing? We already know what they DID at United, but what are they doing at US AIRWAYS? 

 

[john john]

A member from the CWA said that the CWA has already filed a grievance on the matter. I'm not sure if it's true or not but maybe FO can contact the CWA to see. If the company wants to change the boarding policy, and it does by its own admission, then it should have scheduled a meeting to discuss the matter with the union.  Acting unilaterally, without scheduling a meeting with the union over a condition in the contract, is dangerous.   Of course, the implication of all of this is that it fully expects to have settled a section 6 contract with DL141 and DL142.

The CWA has filed a grievance on this. CWA Contract is a legal binding contract and the Company CANNOT just violate it.
Is the IAM filing a grievance on the DOH/FCFS issue? Does their leadership want what Parker wants FCFS

 

[700UW]

I just went through the M&R CBA, there is nothing about seniority mentioned in regard to Online Travel.
 

 
A) Employees and their immediate family will be granted the same transportation privileges on the Company's system as may be established by Company regulations for all personnel.
 
(D) Free and reduced rate on-line transportation will be provided in accordance with Company Policy.

 

[700UW]

And this is from Fleet's CBA:

 

Employees covered by this Agreement and their immediate families will be granted the same transportation privileges on
the Company's system as may be established by Company regulations for all personnel.
 

 
Once again, nothing in there about seniority.

 

[psa8979]

Brother TN it's the Golden Rule . Those at D-141 who own the gold rule. Follow the money at D-141 and who the top of the Pyramid  pledge their allegiance too . We have , are, and will continue to be a second or third thought . Our fate at LCC/AAL F/S will have the same outcome if nothing changes who is making the decisions for US . The LCC/AAL AGS and NC hands are tied by their Boss's. We will have to wait and see what the International does ? The majority of the Membership isn't even paying attention and are becoming more jaded/apathetic after more than 3 yrs. of excuses.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The CWA has filed a grievance on this. CWA Contract is a legal binding contract and the Company CANNOT just violate it.
Is the IAM filing a grievance on the DOH/FCFS issue? Does their leadership want what Parker wants FCFS

Our district has decided to stay silent on this matter as far as I can tell. Instead of being proactive like the CWA, I think it will 'sit back and wait' .  Hopefully, the eboard wont' blindly support Delaney if Delaney chooses to sign a side letter agreeing to it.  I agree with you though John John, the company has violated it already in spirit by announcing it.  That seems to violate article 1 of most contracts where both parties are expected to support the current contract fully.  +1 for CWA in filing the grievance. I hope the IAM follows.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Brother TN it's the Golden Rule . Those at D-141 who own the gold rule. Follow the money at D-141 and who the top of the Pyramid  pledge their allegiance too . We have , are, and will continue to be a second or third thought . Our fate at LCC/AAL F/S will have the same outcome if nothing changes who is making the decisions for US . The LCC/AAL AGS and NC hands are tied by their Boss's. We will have to wait and see what the International does ? The majority of the Membership isn't even paying attention and are becoming more jaded/apathetic after more than 3 yrs. of excuses.

imo, much hope exist psa8979
Sure, we can look at United but I think we should be hopeful and look forward.  Hope always begins with change. This won't be a rehearsal so I think our membership will have one chance to make change happen.  And I think we should make the best of it.  Officer nominations start in February.  IMO,  we need more than a kumbuya session and need to embrace diversity of opinion so we can get some folks in the eboard that don't just blindly support Delaney.

 

[bunt3dunk]

Is it true that the company offered wages equal to AA ? I heard that they would do this is they were allowed to contract the ramp out in JAX ,PIT and RDU, anyone else hear this ?

 

[P. REZ]

Our district has decided to stay silent on this matter as far as I can tell. Instead of being proactive like the CWA, I think it will 'sit back and wait' .  Hopefully, the eboard wont' blindly support Delaney if Delaney chooses to sign a side letter agreeing to it.  I agree with you though John John, the company has violated it already in spirit by announcing it.  That seems to violate article 1 of most contracts where both parties are expected to support the current contract fully.  +1 for CWA in filing the grievance. I hope the IAM follows.

Tim,
 
PHX has filed a grievance but my question to you is why do you come on here and stir the pot? What was holding you up from filing a grievance? 
 
P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

Is it true that the company offered wages equal to AA ? I heard that they would do this is they were allowed to contract the ramp out in JAX ,PIT and RDU, anyone else hear this ?

Not even close to true.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
PHX has filed a grievance but my question to you is why do you come on here and stir the pot? What was holding you up from filing a grievance? 
 
P. Rez

someone needs to stir the pot for sure. I didnt file the grievance because this is a system grievance that should be filed by the district and expedited, imo. It will b nice if brother delaney addressed this on an update.