2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Keep smilin' Johnny Boy. I think you're gonna need that sense of humor soon.

 

[Claxon]

Although Phoenix has large population density, and a high-volume of O&D traffic, it is a low-yielding hub. US Airways can sustain it at present since the airline follows an extremely lean/low-cost model, but once it merges with American, the combined carrier will see its cost base rise. With a more bloated structure, the airline will be unable to support the same level of nonstops and frequencies out of its PHX hub without raising fares, which will result in hefty turnover to lower-priced options on other carriers such as Southwest (the #2 airline in Phoenix) and the airline will fall out of favor among locals. In a best-case scenario, Phoenix will be shrunk to serve 50 or so cities at max, with a few key Canadian, Mexican and Hawaiian markets retained.

 

[Claxon]

Mike Turpen,

In support of your endorsement for Mike Cleary you wrote:

"Randy Mowrey and I, along with Bob Davison and Kevin Berry worked together to create a seniority list with appropriate conditions and restrictions to protect the pre merger career expectations of our entire pilot group. During the development phase of the conditions and restrictions we had many lively debates about what the final product should look like but under Randys steady guidance, we worked through those issues and finalized what I believe to be a truly fair and equitable way to integrate the two pre merger airlines."

In the names above, I do not recognize one West pilot who had "lively debates" with you about what the final seniority list should look like. With incredible hubris and sense of entitlement, you of the East decided a "fair and equitable" way to integrate the two pre merger airlines in the list passed to the company last year. No neutral third party, no input from those you claim to protect with "conditions and restrictions." Even more laughable, you tout the disenfranchising of the America West Pilots as something you are proud of.

I hope you will be proud of the circumstances, B-scale and slave labor work rules, that many of your East brethren will be retiring on (maybe even you after being there 28 years). Mr. Glass is giving legal "lip service" to negotiating in good faith, but a contract will not be forth coming. The synergies being reaped by management over the devision between East and West is unprecedented. The entire East is working on B-scale with slave labor work rules, while the West is operating as if they have no legal representation which translates into a very fuel efficient, reliable, and on time West operation. Mr. Glass knows USAPA has no leverage at the bargaining table. He is aware that many, if not most, on the West would happily cross any USAPA picket line on all their days off, to fly to FAR mins, for free, in the highly unlikely event of the NMB releasing USAPA to strike. The East's attempt to negotiate a contract without unity with the West is a sad joke on us all.

We will continue to enjoy the fence we are not getting paid for, while you continue to enjoy your B-scale and slave labor work rules. I think our lot is better than yours. In the current economic climate, after the pot is tapped to get the East parity with the West, we on the West probably wouldn't be getting much of a pay raise, increase in benefits, or better scheduling. Even as he threw our top 400 guys under the bus, Nicolau recognized what parity would cost the West in the next contract. Was that reality part of your "lively debate" when coming up with YOUR "conditions and restrictions?"

Personally, I wouldn't mind a return to the days when management was pilot enemy #1, instead of my fellow union brethren. Should I not be fired by an arbitrator on April 1st, at the request of my union, then maybe I will be one step closer to change from within. In the meantime, should those you have endorsed get elected, then change from within will be a joke and negotiations will continue to be "lip-service" only. Enjoy your B-scale and slave labor work rules.

Have a nice day,

Susie Stegmuller

A Bad Union Pilot
USAPA = NO LEVERAGE
email [email protected]

PHX rep David Simmons and Brice LeCarre insisted on no pay parity for east pilots. Simmons now acts perplexed why east pilots ranks grew while the FISHBOWL was prepared for west inhabitants.
Your thoughts PHX assistant Simmons?
Your thoughts Susie? Are you happy living in the tepid FISHBOWL you helped build?

 

[Claxon]

May 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: U-Turn: ATTN: AWAPPA Shoppers!

Well this was what I has hoping to avoid!! The key here people is to set
up with UAL and get a prenup. Parker and team are not about to let u sap
ass block their deal with UAL. We need to focus on reaching out to as many
people in the UAL MEC as we ALL CAN. FENCE the prick in the east for 30yrs

Ray Burkett
C82 First officer Rep
Vice Chairman

Earth to Ray! Set up a prenup with UAL? Ray, ALPAs not our CBA any more. And YOU arent the C82 FO Rep anymore. C82 doesnt exist anymore. In fact, the entire LAS base isnt going to last through the fall!

Sorry, Ray, but the UAL MEC isnt going to give you or AWAPPA the time of day. They are represented by ALPA and ALPA is hanging it out if they negotiate with any group that isnt the CBA. If they do and get caught at it, they could end up with a DFR that will make their $50+ million Duke-Spellacy settlement in the 1990s look like a parking ticket fine. The UAL MEC Merger Attorney is AWAPPAs Jeff Freund. Can you say conflict of interest? How can he represent us and the UAL pilots at the same time? How can he give us any legal advice on defending the NIC while hes representing UALs MEC? If a merger announcement is made, who do you think he will represent?

Enough of Rays fantasy union. At the bottom of this U-Turn is a summary of the first round of planned reductions over at UAL. The source is their internal employee newsline. We believe that the information is authentic. Note that the first set of changes will enable us to remove 30 of our B737 aircraft, the least efficient of our fleet. At 6.5 crews (13 pilots) per aircraft, thats a hit of 390 pilots on the streets. Proportionally, that would mean a furlough of about 148 LCC pilots if we were fairly and equitably sharing the pain.

The UAL internal forecast is just a blip on the radar screen when compared to the What if comments by Chicago Tribune reporter Julie Johnsson, written yesterday. According to her article (paraphrased, because of copy write laws the link is: <http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story>http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story), the New U could park the entire 737-300 fleet (111 aircraft) of both carriers, producing over a billion dollars synergies.

At 13 pilots per plane, thats an 11% reduction or 1443-pilot furlough from the total of approximately 13,000 active pilots. Proportionally, under ALPAs fair and equitable pain sharing, the West hit could be about 192 furloughs.

So, does anyone really want a piece of that fair and equitable ALPA-pie or a Ray Burkett prenup? As much as you might hate USAPA, Ray, they do control both contracts. More importantly, they control the TA and its floor of 120 West planes and 202 East planes.

The U-Turn

Your thoughts Ray Burkett about " fencing the prick$ in the east"
Is a FISHBOWL considered a " fence?"

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006, were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting member of the Arbitration Board.”[/SIZE]
                                             
[SIZE=12pt]George Nicolau, Mediator[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]The Board shall retain jurisdiction[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] in accordance with Section H. 5 .b. of the ALPA Merger Policy to resolve any disputes over the meaning or interpretation of this Award. This retention of jurisdiction shall terminate when all provisions of the Award have been satisfied. In the event the Chairman becomes unavailable or unwilling to serve to resolve such disputes, the Merger Committees will agree on a replacement Chairman or will select one by the alternate strike method from the most recent ALPA list of seniority integrations arbitrators.  In the event one of the Pilot Neutrals becomes unable or unwilling to serve on the Arbitration Board to resolve such disputes, the Chairman, after consultation with the Parties, shall decide how to proceed.  In any such arbitration, if there is a dispute between the methodology contained in the Award and the accompanying Integrated Seniority List or any other list purportedly using such methodology, the Seniority List prevails.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]George Nicolau, Mediator[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

Come on CLAXY!  Mike Cleary said if first and best....."No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts........"

 

[cactusboy53]

Oooooh.....I see Johnny Boy is LURKING!
 
Here's an oldie, but a goodie...:
 
[SIZE=12pt]US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit                                                                       26 June 2015[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation.  USAPA’s manifest disregard for the interests of the West Pilots and its discriminatory conduct towards them constitutes a clear breach of duty.  Accordingly, we reverse the district court’s conclusion that USAPA did not breach its duty of fair representation, and remand with instructions to enjoin USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond proceedings except to the extent that USAPA will advocate the Nicolau Award..”[/SIZE]
 
 

 

[Claxon]

Come on CLAXY!  Mike Cleary said if first and best....."No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts........"

You and former LAS f/o rep Burkett seem to have issues with understanding ALPA was decertified as the bargaining agent before a TA was achieved. Mike Cleary, unlike you, did truthfully make that cogent observation. Absolutely true. No ALPA integration arbitration has ever been set aside.......
Your witness.

 

[traderjake]

 Mike Cleary, unlike you, did truthfully make that cogent observation. 

 
Was that before or after he vandalized his own rental car with a baseball bat?

 

[EastUS1]

Here's an oldie, but a goodie...:

 
Here's a couple more such:
 
"A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor disputes and walking over the backs of workers.....He helps management to destroy his and your profession,
 A SCAB doesn't think long term, nor does he think of anything other then himself."
 
http://www.cockpitseeker.com/wp-content/uploads/posts/wikileaks-airline-pilot-scab-list-2004.pdf
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[cactusboy53]

Was that before or after he vandalized his own rental car with a baseball bat?

That there is FUNNY! Ooooh LOOK! Claxy brought the Daley video (AGAIN!). Not DESPERATE at all.

 

[luvthe9]

Keep smilin' Johnny Boy. I think you're gonna need that sense of humor soon.

No, no I'm not, remember none of this effects me, so sorry flounder




You really screwed your pilot group over, you must feel terrible. Wye you did not listen to Blomgren ..........stupidity or ignorance?

 

[nic4us]

 
Here's a couple more such:
 
"A SCAB takes your job, a Job he could not get under normal circumstances. He can only advance himself by taking advantage of labor disputes and walking over the backs of workers.....He helps management to destroy his and your profession,
 A SCAB doesn't think long term, nor does he think of anything other then himself."
 
 

 
a very good definition of a "scab"...and a very good synopsis of what the east did to the West by voting in USCABA.
 
Now if it had just mentioned LOA93 and the $1/2 million each east captain paid to the company in lost wages because of the scab union, it would have described uscaba exatly.

 

[Phoenix]

That there is FUNNY! Ooooh LOOK! Claxy brought the Daley video (AGAIN!). Not DESPERATE at all.

Eastus1 is not Claxon.... duh.

You never were good at catching the details. It's always the details that ruin a happyfeelgood assumption.