ALPA/USAPA Thread for the Week 5/22 to 5/29

[nostradamus]

The actions of the america west pilots show a lack of integrity. They did not complain about the election before hand. Each pilot group was allowed their own legal representation. This is legal and binding situation from the NLRB, National Labor Relations Board.

The Union vote met all of the above stated ideals, and was officially accepted by US Airways CEO Doug Parker.

After the results of the vote was issued, a group of disgruntled america west pilots formed the awappa with the sole intention of abolishing the vote and replacing it with their own union. awappa actions run counter to several elementary tenets: the definition of “bindingâ€￾ , the stated guidance of US Airways CEO Doug Parker, and the premise of fair-and-equitable.

Man up, integrity matters.

 

[700UW]

Apparently you are not a pilot, the NLRB has nothing to do with the election nor does it have any jurisdiction for transportation workers.

The NLRB deals with unionized employees under the NLRA, the NMB has jurisdiction for unionized workers under the RLA.

And you attack the west for exactly what the east pilots did, pot meet kettle.

 

[nostradamus]

Apparently you are not a pilot, the NLRB has nothing to do with the election nor does it have any jurisdiction for transportation workers.

The NLRB deals with unionized employees under the NLRA, the NMB has jurisdiction for unionized workers under the RLA.

And you attack the west for exactly what the east pilots did, pot meet kettle.

Kettle, meet pot.

"The NLRA extends many rights to workers who wish to form, join or support unions, also known as labor organizations; to workers who are already represented by unions; and to workers who join together as a group (two or more employees) without a union seeking to modify their wages or working conditions, which is known as protected concerted activities."

"Railroad and airline workers may research same, starting at the National Mediation Board (NMB). However, equivalent violations of the RLA might not be called unfair labor practices, as the term is not used in the Act. Worker complaints of RLA violations are typically addressed by employers or unions, depending on who is alleged to have violated the RLA. But workers may hire attorneys to address RLA violations in the courts."

 

[BottomFeeder]

Apparently you are not a pilot, the NLRB has nothing to do with the election nor does it have any jurisdiction for transportation workers.

The NLRB deals with unionized employees under the NLRA, the NMB has jurisdiction for unionized workers under the RLA.

And you attack the west for exactly what the east pilots did, pot meet kettle.

700UW,

I love your signature: There is no America without labor, and to fleece the one is to rob the other.

So when the IAM told their members to cross the picket line at NWA and perform the struck work. Would that be robbing and fleecing by the IAM? Would the IAM be helping to destroy America?

 

[EastUS]

Why do you say that when the Transition Agreement, Section II, paragraph 4(d) specifically sets the minimum number of aircraft out West? Selective memory?

Point taken = My Bad...no excuse for the oversight, and ignorance isn't bliss on anyone's part.

The intent of my post was to note that mangagerial responses to any given set of employee group concerns, is best predicted on a purely "What's in it for THEM?" viewpoint. As witness all the discontent over the even the cactus callsign...it cannot be realistically assumed that any favorable prejudice exists from those people towards the west group, These people only see us all as small blots of red ink on the balance sheet, that they'd love to not have to ever pay a dime to in any case. On that score: The best gift we've all yet given them's a fiercely divided labor group to play with. Assuming that they wouldn't cheerfully, and instantly "dismiss" the entire west, or east...or the whole friggin' airline, if it, in ANY way suited their personal betterment's extremely naive....period. I think it's really a moot point regarding the dismisal issue in any case. It's my belief that the west "Righteous Position" on never, ever paying anything is a bunch of complete BS, and only offered in the hope that no dismissals will be forthcoming. I don't want to see ANY pilot have to go through that myself. We all have enoguh troubles to fret over in this srewball industry. You folks will have to do what you think best.

 

[N924PS]

The actions of the america west pilots show a lack of integrity. They did not complain about the election before hand. Each pilot group was allowed their own legal representation. This is legal and binding situation from the NLRB, National Labor Relations Board.

The Union vote met all of the above stated ideals, and was officially accepted by US Airways CEO Doug Parker.

After the results of the vote was issued, a group of disgruntled america west pilots formed the awappa with the sole intention of abolishing the vote and replacing it with their own union. awappa actions run counter to several elementary tenets: the definition of “bindingâ€￾ , the stated guidance of US Airways CEO Doug Parker, and the premise of fair-and-equitable.

Man up, integrity matters.

To paraphrase your post:

The USAirways pilots did not complain about the negotiation-mediation-arbitration process, or arbitator Nicolau, until the award was rendered. This is a legal and binding decision administered following appropriate and mutually agreed to protocols.

The decision met the criteria set forth under ALPA Merger Policy and was officially accepted by Doug Parker when passed from ALPA.

After the results of the arbitration a disgruntled group of USAirways pilots formed USAPA with the sole intention of abolishing the Nicolau Award and replacing it with their own seniority list. The USAPA actions run counter to several elementary tenets, the definition of "binding", the stated guidance of CEO Parker, and the premise of fair and equitable.