American Air to increase regional fleet

AA has pretty consistently been #2 in seats on JFK-SFO for at least the past 20 years, if not longer. It's a market that has averaged half as many frequencies as JFK-LAX.

Hardly unexpected that SFO would be that much smaller with the UA hub at the other end. It's also a smaller market. Higher value, lower volume.
 
except that UA is number in frequency but #3 in seats. Guess you know who that leaves as #1 in seats and #2 in frequencies.
 
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One thing is for sure: AA, UA and DL are shaking things up on the transcons.

UA is increasing seating density by abandoning F and adding some E- to its ps 757s.

AA will be introducing 3-class A321s with just 102 seats late this year and by the end of 2014, its old 762s should be retired. No official word yet but there are rumours of additional frequencies between JFK-LAX/SFO.

DL is adding flat-bed 763s between JFK and LAX/SEA beginning this spring, and by the end of 2014, has said that all JFK-SEA/SFO/LAX flights will feature fully flat beds on either 767s or 757s.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1757

It's been a while since we've seen this kind of competition. For buyers of transcon F and J, the future looks comfortable. And for some lucky low-fare upgraders, redeyes have never featured such great seats.

Unless Beardy and his friends inject more cash into VX, the end may be near, so low-fare competition will likely diminish in the near-term. At 9/30/12, VX had $75 million of unrestricted cash. During the fourth quarter of 2011 and the first quarter of 2012, VX burned thru $76 million of cash. So barring new cash or greatly improved results, things may be bleak for Cush and his low-wage teammates.
 
I think you are very right... and don't discount the impact on B6 as well. The transcon markets very much have a premium component to them. VX figured that out but they are a niche player in the transcons. They have very respectable average fares and it is very likely they make money on the transcons; they have done well in other markets as well - but it takes time to develop markets, esp. when they compete against some of the largest carriers in the world.
B6 has established itself in many markets because it has low costs and other carriers have traditionally not been able to compete - so have abandoned the market... that is essentially what has happened in BOS except in the transcons where UA and AA are holding on.
The LAX and SFO transcons are large enough that AA and UA can focus on just a segment of the market - and reduce their costs proportionately.
AA's presence in the SFO transcons is weaker because they have focused their attention on LAX. It is precisely because DL gained the #2 network carrier standing in most west coast markets except LAX that they have been able to expand in the transcon. I agree w/ you that AA is making a mistake w/ using the 321s and walking away from as much as half of the current economy market - and that will have an effect on their pricing power in both JFK-LAX and -SFO.

As has been noted, DL has battled it out w/ low fare carriers for years.... and they taste the opportunity to get back at B6 for the inability of Song to protect DL's position in the NYC leisure markets. The slot move gave DL an advantage at LGA - the preferred airport for most of B6's top markets from NYC - that B6 cannot duplicate.
Add in that B6 doesn't have a premium product which is important in the transcon markets and B6 could be in a very difficult position in NYC.
Already, DOT data is showing that B6 is having to discount further in order to continue to grow in NYC as local traffic shifts to LGA w/ DL's growth in capacity there.

All of that has an impact on what happens in NYC and AA's ability to grow there. It still is anybody's guess how it will all shake out - but NYC across the board - is more competitive in nearly every market than it has ever been.

And the increased competition in NYC will have an effect in LAX and on the east coast as well since if a carrier gains a decent presence in the transcon markets, they have much more ability to grow in other markets on the west coast.
 
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Where did anyone (other than you) claim that going to the A321 is a mistake? Load factors on average in the back aren't all that extraordinary, and probably aren't enough to justify the extra dead weight compared to a 757 or A321.

Years ago, there was the demand for containerized freight lift. Not so much anymore when Fedex and UPS will take it D2D.

As long as AA doesn't materially reduce the mix of premium seats, I suspect they'll hold their own. Especially if frequencies go up. The guy with the higher frequency usually wins out over the guy with the biggest plane.
 
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To be fair to WT, some of my uninformed rantings might be construed as an allegation that movement to A321s is a mistake. Somewhere I did post that those A321s will be some high-casm flights.

When the decision was announced in the summer of 2011, AA was still in the shrink/retreat mode, which, of course, is a necessity when costs are high. When AA finally bit the Ch 11 bullet, the need for AA to constantly downguage while hoping to hang on to the highest yield isn't quite as important. When you've lowered your costs, growth is a possibility.

Once AA revealed the interior configuration with 10F/20J/36MCE/36MC, and it dawned on everyone that some additional frequencies are possible, it looks like it may be the optimal decision, not a mistake.

In addition, I've posted elsewhere that with 15-20 77Ws on the way by the end of 2014, it wouldn't be completely out of the question if AA placed a 772 or two on JFK-LAX for peak times. For quite a few years, AA has flown a daily 772 between LAX and MIA, and for most of 2012, it was two daily 772s (in addition to 738s, 757s and an occasional 763).

For local traffic, UA gets average fares of about $500 each way for JFK-SFO on its ps 757s, just a few dollars more than AA gets for JFK-LAX with its 762s. Theoretically, the smaller capacity A321s should increase the average fare, but I don't see AA boosting the average fares too much higher than they already are, especially with the low-fare competition from VX and B6 plus all the additional capacity being added by DL (what is this - DL's third or fouth attempt to compete on the transcons?).
 
Several good points to discuss here….

First, you are absolutely right that DL messed around in the transcon markets for nearly 20 years w/o being able to figure out what it takes to compete successfully. Post Pan Am, DL tried to ride whatever coattails PA had in the transcon markets, but PA did not have a reputation for quality and DL retreated to PA’s strength markets in southern Europe from NYC where it has done well since the PA acquisition, even if those markets are very seasonal. In the early 2000s, DL decided to focus on Song in NYC as a B6 copycat airline…. Might have worked to/from Florida but it was absolutely the wrong product on the transcons and the results for DL were just like they are now for B6. Post BK, DL realized it has had to invest in the product and compete aggressively with both network and low fare carriers and has succeeded, now providing a fairly high quality product, even if in far fewer numbers of seats than AA or UA. But DL’s decision to put the int’l 757s on the transcons has resulted in a significant increase in DL’s average fares and the decision to put lie flat seats in business class will result in a product that is not a whole lot different from what AA and UA will offer on their narrowbody aircraft. (I’m sure some would love to argue that point but remember that DL’s average fares in JFK-LHR have been close to what AA offers even though AA offers a higher quality product.) What will happen is that VX’s premium product will be inadequate compared to the big 3 and DL will be in a position to offer a premium product that is on par with AA and UA. For the first time, DL is playing in the transcons on a level close to what AA and UA are doing.

Second, the pressure will likely be on the low cost carriers w/ the upgraded product. Even though AA and UA are likely going to focus solely on the upper tier of the market, DL is willing to keep enough capacity in the market to compete for the total product base. There could be an argument about whether focusing on a single segment of a market can be successful, but DL has demonstrated that it believes that it has to compete for the whole market. UA tried for years to walk away from what they perceived as the low fare passenger in a number of markets, including DEN and the transcons, with the result that WN is now the largest airline in DEN by passenger boardings and UA is #3 or lower in passenger boardings in the JFK transcons. UA might get by with that because of its presence at EWR but UA is a distant number 4 at JFK with no international service on its own metal. Even if DL does not have average fares on the transcons comparable to AA and UA, they do have revenue per flight that is comparable to or superior to AA and UA because they are using larger aircraft and are leveraging their larger hub at JFK for connections. Considering that the operating costs per flight for all 3 carriers are/will be relatively comparable, I’m not sure that AA and UA’s strategy will necessarily be much more profitable. DL’s lower CASM also allows it to battle low fare carriers better and potentially regain some of that share – which isn’t necessarily junk fares. VX has very respectable average fares in their JFK transcon markets.

Third, I was specifically referring to the JFK-SFO market when I noted that AA’s position in the market is slipping… that is in part due to AA’s decision o focus on its cornerstones – of which SFO is not one just like BOS. It is possible that AA can function as a niche at JFK with a smaller operation than either B6 or DL but AA doesn’t have EWR to help boost its presence in NYC like UA has. The dynamics of the NYC market are changing dramatically and it is far from certain how it will shake out for each player.

Fourth, AA could put 777s on JFK-LAX to preserve its presence in that market, although I doubt they would ever do that to SFO. But given that AA has sized the premium cabins of its 321s specifically to duplicate the capacity it has on the 762s, the reason for adding capacity to go after the passengers which they are specifically walking away from is a stretch. They would be adding a very high cost aircraft to chase coach passengers; the 321 will be the lowest total operating cost aircraft on the transcons by the big 3.
Finally, the transcons are part of an airline’s total presence at both NYC and in California. NYC is very much in flux, but CA has been relatively stable. I still believe that DL will begin to shift its focus west now that it is achieving its objectives in NYC. DL is expanding into markets in LAX again… and lest people mention DL’s track record in LAX, remember that one of DL’s attempts in the last 10 years was to hold onto its gates at LAX when it flooded the facility w/ RJs. In yet another attempt, DL added a bunch of direct operating cost late night flying as well as flying with RJ operators, all obviously part of larger strategic plans. If DL adds LAX-LHR with its own aircraft as part of a slot rework w/ Virgin Atlantic, the market could change as well. AA still has a very loyal following of high value passengers in LAX and UA is clearly focusing its efforts on SFO… they don’t have the financial resources right now to do fight for all of the CA market… chances are high that AA will prevail if push comes to shove in LAX. AA is probably going to be ahead of UA in reworking its RJ system which will be an advantage, esp. in ORD where supposedly a lot of the large RJs are to be deployed.

The large RJs are the part of the puzzle that AA has to use in order to preserve what it has as well as grow where it an. AA is at a size disadvantage in NYC but could compete effectively, again winning traffic over from UA at EWR given that LGA and JFK are still the preferred short and long-haul airports in NYC and AA has a 20-25% of the slots at each airport, more than enough to focus on the top markets.

So, it is possible that AA could hold onto its premium passengers in the transcons and if so could help them stabilize if not grow their presence in both NYC and on the west coast… the battle for passengers will likely be against the low fare carriers as well as UA.

One more consideration is that UA has yet to resolve its finances in the wake of its merger w/ CO. They have blamed integration issues - just as B6 has managed to find reasons to justify o its underperformance for several quarters - but there simply are large portions of former CO's network that probably do not work based on UA's costs. Much of the 757 TATL flying to secondary cities, many of the longhaul 15-16 hour flights to destinations from EWR, don't work at costs such as the big 3 have at current fuel prices. Add in WN's expansion into Latin America from Houston and UA could be under significant financial pressure for several more years. UA is still holding onto a lot of capacity that isn't delivering revenues sufficient to cover costs.
AA could well have an opportunity to grow and regain lost share depending on what UA does.
 
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Fourth, AA could put 777s on JFK-LAX to preserve its presence in that market, although I doubt they would ever do that to SFO. But given that AA has sized the premium cabins of its 321s specifically to duplicate the capacity it has on the 762s, the reason for adding capacity to go after the passengers which they are specifically walking away from is a stretch. They would be adding a very high cost aircraft to chase coach passengers; the 321 will be the lowest total operating cost aircraft on the transcons by the big 3.

Agree with much of what you posted; on the A321 premium capacity, however, AA kept the same 10F seats but 20J seats, or just two-thirds the J capacity of the 762s, which feature 30J. Given that UA is removing its 12F seats from its ps flights, perhaps AA sees an opening to take away some former UA F passengers. Typically, AA has flown 10 summer daily JFK-LAX flights, so an increase to 15 frequencies would preserve the existing J capacity but would be a 50% increase in F (adding a portion of the F seats removed by UA).

Agree that even if AA were to take my crazy-talk suggestion and add a couple of 772s to LAX-JFK, I don't see that happening to SFO. AA clearly values LAX much more highly, as it has placed more and more 2-class 763s on SFO to backfill for the disappearing 762 fleet (several of which wlll be retired this year - three or four in Q1) while keeping LAX all 3-class 762s. At least for AA, LAX is where F is more important.
 
thanks for the correction on the difference in J capacity.

what is the real benefit of having 15 flights/day in a market where time zones dictate that an hourly pattern on one coast will result in some very unusual arrival times on the other?

I still think AA thought thru very carefully about how much capacity they want in the transcon market and might increase a frequency on a seasonal basis but aren't going to operate near as much capacity year around. AA's overall presence in the market will shrink.

Given that UA is pulling FC from the transcons, it is also possible that it will be much harder to value a product that AA has but no one else does. AA's business product will have to be comparable to what DL and UA offer - but are there really that many people willing to pay for something above and beyond?

The greatest opportunity for AA in the next few years will come from whether they can gain at the expense of UA who has not figured out what they have to do to run an airline the size that they now have on their hands. They will either have to remove a fair amount of capacity - which has been very hard to do because of labor issues w/ the merger that have not been resolved - or they will have to redeploy capacity to a new part of their network that has not been identified yet. The latter is exactly what DL has done in NYC - redeploy excess hub capacity as a result of the merger to NYC which has been a growth market while at the same time has allowed DL to improve its performance in the rest of its network. I'm not sure what other regions UA could do that in but the SE including FL-Latin America remains a hole in UA's network.

If AA can grow its revenues in key UA competitive markets and hold onto its position in key low fare markets, it has a decent chance of delivering on the growth that AA says is part of its turnaround plan.

As has been the case for decades, AA will gain at UA's expense or vice versa.
 
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Last time I checked, the 767, 757s, and A321s are not what the thread is about.

Nor is it about the transcon markets.
 
Don't like it don't read it. Doesn't the IAM support outsourcing flying to regionals (and contracting out mainline pilot and FA work) so long as the district lodge can keep IAM members at the station? Several of the stations UAL transitioned to UAX have IAM members.

Josh
 
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The IAM doesnt hire the vendors that UA chooses to use, that would be UA's decision.

And its ALPA who permits the outsourcing to RJs, its in their CBA.

Once again your lame attempt to bash the IAM fails.

You really need some therapy.
 
I thought you said this thread was about RJs. At least the transcons are part of the hubs the large RJs will be used in.
 
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