American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

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  1. dfw gen

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    Would not surprise me
     
  2. dfw gen

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    I beleive he said a larger percentage for 2020, and still 10-20% smaller airline going onto 2021
     
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    It is just saying it won't improve even by summer of 2021. Not that the furloughs would start then. They start in JULY for Mgmt/Support and the will start in Oct (or when the company and the union reaches and agreement) for union workers.
     
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  4. dfw gen

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    Thays what im afraid of the association negotiating and or handling the layoffs. We all know who runs the association. Im sure twu members will be well taken aftet
     
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    Well for title 1 and 2 it's simple enough to address. Sign a card and let's have our own representatives handle our own issues. Pilots do. Flight attendants do. Dispatchers do. We can too. So to all the complainers who didn't or won't sign a card ask yourself what are you expecting from the association when this comes head to head and the association wants to address all members to sacrifice pay and benefits regardless of title or work group descriptions?
     
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  6. dfw gen

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    Yup. By then it will be too late. Our leadership is ok with that though
     
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    #442 eolesen, Jun 29, 2020
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    Nope, if your asinine assumption were remotely correct, all those Yankee airports would have been shrunk over time instead of grown to avoid all those hard ass union employees you try to deify...

    That move from NY to TX was always about the tax breaks, cost of living, recruiting and real estate. AA's training had already relocated to GSW, and the new res center was already in the planning phases. It was getting harder and harder to recruit people to move to NY to work for AA. From what people who actually made the move have told me, it was like a 35% or higher raise when you consider the cost of buying a home and the easier commute.

    I know when I left JFK for DFW it was a 40% raise for me, and that was including losing the market rate *and* my lead premiums (then about $2/hour combined). My rent was less than half, and I got 3x the square footage in an apartment, plus a pool and a parking space...

    Business friendly, yes. DFW itself was nowhere near its current size in terms of traffic or population in 1979, and Braniff (also based at DFW) was easily twice AA's size at the time.

    Not really - the cost to enter the airport was originally to prevent people from using it as a shortcut. Landing fees today are subsidized more by all the natural gas wells that were drilled during the early 2000's than they are by concessions or entry tolls.

    Huh. They're powerful where they negotiate with Democrats? I'm sure there's absolutely no corruption or graft going on there. None. Nada.


    Yep. Don't waste your time on fiction. The "Hard Landing" you want is by Thomas Petzinger, who covered airlines and businesses for the WSJ. <disclosure> He actually sent me a review copy of the book back when the internet was still young and my now defunct website was listing out books worth reading about the airline industry... </disclosure>

    https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Landing-Contest-Profits-Airlines/dp/0812928350

    It's a good read, but out of date as far as the airlines and people he covered. I've heard rumors there might be a companion book written by a couple of other prominent names that cover the industry today...
     
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  9. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Get to the point Bears.
     
  10. eolesen

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    Lynne was GM at BOS for AA for a while, and wrote a fictional book that's based on the real-life gang of NW union employees that killed a supervisor who supposedly discovered their mail theft/credit card fraud ring.

    Bears apparently has multiple copies lying about the house in hopes of his own hard landing.
     
  11. Rogallo

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    Hold on, let the "Tough Guy" think a while
     
  12. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Was the "tough guy" comment directed at me or Bears?
     
  13. Rogallo

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    Really?
     
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    I hear ya LuLu, and hope ya find that silver lining and your better half remains safe.
    I am thinking we were thinking the same numbers in our heads as you posted. I too was hoping from the 30% management and support staff number would entail downward for the frontline employees after the Early Outs and retirements and or leaves were taken into consideration. I am hoping for better numbers, but not sure AA will get as many takers with current offers. Hoping the layoffs will be more in line with 10%-18%. Still in hopes of a below 20% with an average of 15% or below. 0% would be the ultimate, but that would be with blinders on and not sensible.
     
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    This book might be out of date (it's from the late '90's), but it's well worth anyone's time. I hope the companion book comes to pass.
     

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