nevergiveup
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You missed the point.Selfish? The F/O's get raises as well. Or did USAPA tell you something different?
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You missed the point.Selfish? The F/O's get raises as well. Or did USAPA tell you something different?
I've no union position nor any power to act on such a notion in any case but; I'd personally say that your group, whilst merrily striving to usurp many years of others' work lives...well...have made of yourselves a rather understandably unsympathetic cause out east. It's been and is continually made extremely clear that this enmity flows both ways. I certainly disagreed with the elevation of legal action to the attempted level of a criminal rico prosecution...but again...no small number out west, because of their actions (phone jamming/"mailings"/etc), most certainly were fully deserving of some unkind attention....to say the least.
The west contingent largely tried to avoid paying legally required dues in the first place....and only complied when facing firings. This too failed to impress me personally, as it's my belief that anyone holding truly principled objections should carry them out to whatever ending ever takes place. Had you gents and ladies stood as a group, gone all-in with the issue, taken your chances and simply said "screw you!..fire us all then!"...you would have earned my honest respect...but...you didn't, and instead, folded up entirely on the issue. If it's your feeling that witholding dues is again appropriate...well...it's really none of my business to suggest what to do.
Seriously; just how much of a free ride through life should anyone truly feel entitled to?
Sorry about your upgrade. Welcome to the airlines!More like merrily defending ourselves. We signed on the dotted line for a process that we followed (as did all other parties). I'm sorry for you lose(s), but WE are unwilling to help you recover your career with OUR seniority.
AWA arrived with 142 airplanes. We were hiring, upgrading, getting MORE airplanes, etc. In the very beginning we felt somewhat sorry for you all. Not so much anymore.
BTW....Not a free ride. My upgrade has been postponed indefinitely because we tied up to the Titanic. We not only pay for your actions against us, but we have had to privately pay for our defense. Ultimately, we will prevail (IMHO): Logic, common sense, and law say as such.
I'm not sour, just SUPREMELY disappointed in many east pilots continued lack of integrity.
CB
Let me tell you what the NIC didn't do, it didn't protect EAST pilots from the "WEST " meltdown and eventual "SHUTDOWN", your base will close and displacements will follow been there seen it, lived it, go peddle your BS, somewhere else! MM!The NIC integrated two separate seniority lists into one so this affirms the point I don't think you intended to make. The only deviation from this was to protect the top 517 east pilots flying WB which results in every west pilot losing seniority status in relation to their east counterparts with an equivalent pre-merger status. The east gained seniority at the expense of the west under the NIC but that just wasn't good enough for those who wanted to go from a furloughed status to a line-holding captain by displacing a line-holding west captain and pushing him as far down the list as possible.
Cry me a WYE RIVER, hope your DECK CHAIR is comfortable! MM!More like merrily defending ourselves. We signed on the dotted line for a process that we followed (as did all other parties). I'm sorry for you lose(s), but WE are unwilling to help you recover your career with OUR seniority.
AWA arrived with 142 airplanes. We were hiring, upgrading, getting MORE airplanes, etc. In the very beginning we felt somewhat sorry for you all. Not so much anymore.
BTW....Not a free ride. My upgrade has been postponed indefinitely because we tied up to the Titanic. We not only pay for your actions against us, but we have had to privately pay for our defense. Ultimately, we will prevail (IMHO): Logic, common sense, and law say as such.
I'm not sour, just SUPREMELY disappointed in many east pilots continued lack of integrity.
CB
Is that what the east pilots asked for in arbitration or did they just demand DOH even when the arbitrator asked for a more reasonable proposal? Now that the NIC has been awarded and will not be amended you want protection from base closures and west pilots exercising their seniority position system-wide. That's not how the process works; you don't get to see what the award says and then ask for additional benefits when you the award doesn't give you what you want. What would you have asked for anyway? Would it have been a five-year fence starting May of 2007?Let me tell you what the NIC didn't do, it didn't protect EAST pilots from the "WEST " meltdown and eventual "SHUTDOWN", your base will close and displacements will follow been there seen it, lived it, go peddle your BS, somewhere else! MM!
You make my point, DOH, the only "REAL METHODOLOGY"! Protects all parties from more of the BS you just spewed! MM!Is that what the east pilots asked for in arbitration or did they just demand DOH even when the arbitrator asked for a more reasonable proposal? Now that the NIC has been awarded and will not be amended you want protection from base closures and west pilots exercising their seniority position system-wide. That's not how the process works; you don't get to see what the award says and then ask for additional benefits when you the award doesn't give you what you want. What would you have asked for anyway? Would it have been a five-year fence starting May of 2007?
nic to answer your question without wasting bandwidth on a quote yes it was in our CBA in DOH
while I won't pretend to understand the ins and outs of pilot bidding why wouldn't a person with more seniority be able to bid the higher paying A/C types etc?
Doesn't the "EAST ATTRITION TRAIN" start its schedule soon, working its way through the 330 delivery schedule? MM
Sounds as selfish as the west! I would never sell out my FO for a pay raise. Would you?
If DOH is the 'only "REAL METHODOLOGY"!' then when was the last time it was used in a pilot seniority list integration and what method has been used in the past decade? The point is moot since binding arbitration between AAA/HP pilots did not return DOH (so there is more than one methodology), but please explain how a west line-holding captain is one of the protected parties using straight DOH as you claim?You make my point, DOH, the only "REAL METHODOLOGY"! Protects all parties from more of the BS you just spewed! MM!
Selfish? The F/O's get raises as well. Or did USAPA tell you something different?
That's the sort of glib response you'd expect from someone who drove their POS rusted out 74 LTD straight into the side of your family's minivan so that they could grab the parking space, who then got out and said, "Cars!, ain't they a b----!".Sorry about your upgrade. Welcome to the airlines!
If DOH is the 'only "REAL METHODOLOGY"!' then when was the last time it was used in a pilot seniority list integration and what method has been used in the past decade?