Delta Air Lines to Leave Trade Association in April 2016

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

When DL is roundly regarded as the best run airline in the Americas, they are more than capable of knowing what is good for themselves and where they need the help of others.

 
Well, given that DL has managed to peeve off the gov, code-share partners, etc., alienating yet another group is par for the course.
 
Just remember that good goes around.
 
 

 

[BABABOOY]

From Delta:
 
"In recent years, the trade group, known as A4A, has failed to support Delta on several key issues, including the growing harm of government-subsidized carriers in the Middle East and the damage the Export-Import Bank does to U.S. airlines. A4A also has advocated for the nation’s air traffic control to be separated from the FAA and put into a private organization – a move opposed by Delta."
 
 
Also, regarding the latest moves against AA and AS, its great that Delta is finally treating them as competition instead of this KUMBAYA mantra.
Hopefully UAL is next. 
If some believe this is all hubris, so be it.  Delta is finally in a position to lead and they are.
Again, its all about employees, customers,  and shareholders,  NOT to play nice with our competition.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet DL posted an operating margin higher than AA or UA

and somehow you and others fail to realize that WN has long done its thing in the industry - but now that it is a legacy airline that is supposed to be stupid like its peers, it's all bad.

If DL is making a wrong decision, it will be apparent.

problem is for you and a host of your fellow low information posters on here, the evidence is OVERWHELMING that the issues where you said DL was wrong have turned out to go JUST THE OPPOSITE of what you thought.

thank you, BABA, for finding the specifics of the DL-A4A disagreement regarding ATC. I had recalled that many hold out Canada and the UK's model for ATC and your post validates that DL doesn't see that as valid.

and thank you for being a DL employee who understands that the industry is competitive and not about forming lovely friendships that actually hurt you.

but some people clearly are weak enough that they expect the organizations they criticize to be just like them.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

From Delta:
 
.....................
 
... ... ...  Delta is finally in a position to lead and they are.

 
Drink the kool aid.
 

 

and yet DL posted an operating margin higher than AA or UA

 
Nice deflection, WT.
 

 
Bottom's up you two.
 

 

[BABABOOY]

Just curious FF,
Do you ever add anything constructive to the actual topic?
judging by your childish pictures that you counter with, its seems
you don't have anything substantive to add.  

 

[topDawg]

About the subject and not just one poster

Why is it so hard for some to believe that Delta will make decisions for Delta, employees, shareholders, and customers. NOT American, Alaska, A4A Etc

Just like you speak for yourself on political issues. 
 
It works so well for you all alone doesn't? (I mean it does for me, I honestly feel like those college interns who reply to all my emails care. True they have no say or power but I do feel like they care) 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and what you can't accept is that DL has enough negotiating ability on its own. If the A4A goes to Washington and says they represent the interests of the major airlines and DL says "oh no you don't" then it is not a political issue but one where the A4A had better recognize that if they want to push an agenda, they have to find something that is palatable to DL AND OTHER CARRIERS AND USERS who don't see the same thing AND VICE VERSA.

GROUPTHINK is just a convenient way for the A4A to act as if it is speaking for everyone and DL says they won't be swept into decisions that are contrary to their own interests.

it isn't about who reads the emails and who cares or doesn't.

It is about making sure that DL's interests are protected AND VOICED and whatever solutions that are proposed at least have included DL's perspectives

as with a million other topics where you and others were convinced DL is wrong, the accuracy of your objections can be measured at various points in the future.

Thread bookmarked.

 

[topDawg]

and what you can't accept is that DL has enough negotiating ability on its own. If the A4A goes to Washington and says they represent the interests of the major airlines and DL says "oh no you don't" then it is not a political issue but one where the A4A had better recognize that if they want to push an agenda, they have to find something that is palatable to DL AND OTHER CARRIERS AND USERS who don't see the same thing AND VICE VERSA.

GROUPTHINK is just a convenient way for the A4A to act as if it is speaking for everyone and DL says they won't be swept into decisions that are contrary to their own interests.

it isn't about who reads the emails and who cares or doesn't.

It is about making sure that DL's interests are protected AND VOICED and whatever solutions that are proposed at least have included DL's perspectives

as with a million other topics where you and others were convinced DL is wrong, the accuracy of your objections can be measured at various points in the future.

Thread bookmarked.

um then that would be a lie. 
 
Just because they don't rep Delta doesn't mean........Oh course in your crazy head if Delta isn't in it then they really don't rep the major airlines.     
 
Lol good luck with that in DC. It has worked so well before, so well A4A was created in the first place. 
 
 
Delta is starting to remind of FSU and The U when they went independent. "We are so awesome we can do it ALONE!"
annnnnnd then they joined the ACC.  (ahem big east first for The U) 

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Just curious FF,
Do you ever add anything constructive to the actual topic?
judging by your childish pictures that you counter with, its seems
you don't have anything substantive to add.  

 
I guess you were admiring the pics that I posted so much that you missed the actual text.

 

[WorldTraveler]

when DL's efforts at thinking for itself start to cost them money, be sure and post it.

For now, it is YOU who have to lie to hide your phobia that your employer can actually make good decisions that don't get your rubberstamp

 

[topDawg]

when DL's efforts at thinking for itself start to cost them money, be sure and post it.

For now, it is YOU who have to lie to hide your phobia that your employer can actually make good decisions that don't get your rubberstamp

Its pretty clear they can make good decisions 
 
but your on crack if you think the government is going to tell American, United, Southwest etc. etc. etc. to piss up a rope just to make Delta happy. All they get to do now is voice their opinion. 
 
Why do you think they teamed up with AA and UA to fight the ME3? Numbers. Very simple. 
 
 
 
 
but we all know you expect the US government to believe what you do, Delta is always right. They can do no wrong. 
and when you are always right you don't need the numbers. Dream world, its an awesome......but not real..........place. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

you are the one on crack if you think that any industry with multiple players walks into Washington and presents a case that the government is supposed to buy with no dissenting opinions.

It is absolutely remarkable how you and others who THRIVE on being a countercurrent think that it is bad when the company does it.

What you can't stand is that DL has a track record whether it plays with other carriers or plays by itself.... and Washington very well may decide that it is not worth moving forward with a proposal if there are dissenting opinions. Who says that DL is the only one that thinks the way DL does?

you can't stand the fact that DL might actually be doing something right by dissenting even while showing no interest in YOUR dissenting opinions.

 

[topDawg]

you are the one on crack if you think that any industry with multiple players walks into Washington and presents a case that the government is supposed to buy with no dissenting opinions.

It is absolutely remarkable how you and others who THRIVE on being a countercurrent think that it is bad when the company does it.

What you can't stand is that DL has a track record whether it plays with other carriers or plays by itself.... and Washington very well may decide that it is not worth moving forward with a proposal if there are dissenting opinions. Who says that DL is the only one that thinks the way DL does?

you can't stand the fact that DL might actually be doing something right by dissenting even while showing no interest in YOUR dissenting opinions.

Okay, I'm done. You are a child. 
 
good luck to the rest of you with this. 

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

you can't stand the fact that DL might actually be doing something right by dissenting even while showing no interest in YOUR dissenting opinions.

 
Well at least some on here are capable of having a dissenting opinion.
On the other hand, you're always the first poster to defend DL, no matter what.
That's the Whole Truth!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Okay, I'm done. You are a child. 
 
good luck to the rest of you with this.

you should have walked away a long time ago.'

you told us you get stressed posting on here... so why DO you do it?

In your paranoia, you and others were convinced that DL was making the wrong decision.

Thread bookmarked. Either DL was right, wrong, or it made no difference.

We'll hold you accountable for backing up your opinion.

Of the horror of accountability.