DL to suspend SEA-HND Flights

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  1. metopower

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    Only when you look at the name on the side of the aircraft and who mans it. You usair people crack me up . I count MY AIRLINE not MY alliance. It must be envy or love lost that fuels your comments . This forum has become mired in anti WT ,union organizers and new AA employees. I come here less and less because of it. If we had a moderator all these topics would be locked. Then what would the six of you have to do? I come here to find info not to see who's #### is bigger. Sorry just feed up with all the childishness.
     
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  2. robbedagain

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    Meto do u knw how well sea-hnd is? How full are the flights? And if its not well whats ur take on it
     
  3. Kev3188

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    I hear ya, but then people would just complain that everything was getting locked...

    A little self-policing goes a long way...
     
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  4. metopower

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    Do I care? No. Is it in a long range marketing plan. Yes. When the market is built out then take a look at it. I flew lax -nrt back in the early 90s and it was lousy. Time will tell I fly them and I do not sell tickets buy fuel or make marketing plans. That is their job and so far they have served me and the company and stockholders well. Perfect no.. But percentage wise they are doing quite well.
     
  5. Kev3188

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    If I ruled the world, Hauenstein and Anderson would have to switch salaries...
     
  6. metopower

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    I would vote along with you.
     
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  7. WorldTraveler

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    in terms of capacity and share, AA and UA do help close the gap but DL is still dominant by a fairly large margin in the US mainland to Japan market, retaining and building on NW's dominance of the US-Japan market that was very carefully developed and DL has preserved.

    unlike the narrative that some want to push, DL has NOT lost relative to its peers in Japan relative to its peers even with the changing dynamics of Tokyo as a hub and with the fall in the yen.

    The new 333s are undoubtedly going to allow DL to maintain its share of capacity in the US-Japan market by using an aircraft that can fly to most of the US and do so at costs that compare very favorably to any other aircraft 
     
     
    yes, meto.

    alliances can help a carrier build on its position in a market but it cannot turn around what is not there.

    DL has used its alliance partners to build on DL's strength in Europe and Latin America. DL has not chosen to share its strength with any alliance partners in Asia because none have been willing to recognize what DL has.

    it is quite ok to talk about the JL alliance with AA, but the simple fact is that it has done nothing to help AA recover its position in the local market. and you are absolutely right that alliances can help but data shows that the vast majority of passengers flying on JL are JL passengers, not AA. As you know, nearly every pilot union has specific language that prevents carriers from using the capacity of its alliance partners to replace flying that could be done by a carrier's own pilots. DOT data shows that does take place.


     
    yes, DL is doing well.... and the reason why people struggle with it is because DL has repeatedly done a far better job of transitioning to changing economic situations than other US carriers.

    People can point to Song and DL Express as failures - and they were in hindsight - but DL's strategic goal of protecting and growing its franchise in the NE has been a great success. DL didn't become the largest carrier in NYC by not building on what Song and DL Express did, even if they were strategic failures in their own right.

    as a pilot, you might not care about the strategic ins and outs of how DL achieves its goals. many frontline people do not.  However, there are plenty of mid-level mgmt. people who just came from the Leadership Conference in ATL this past week and are very fired up and excited about what DL is doing and will pass that enthusiasm on to their employees.

    no one tells DL people they have to care about anything other than their own specific job.

    but it is completely invalid to argue that frontline employees can dominate a discussion board based on their perception of insufficient QOL issues when they have no more evidence that DL people are willing to give up anything to achieve them than it is to argue that DL people ín the majority don't care about strategic issues.

    if they don't care about strategic issues that are discussed here, all they have to do is just pass over them.

    and anyone that doesn't think there are major strategic issues at play regarding the SEA-HND and LAX-PVG routes that are far beyond just the growth in China traffic due to the 10 year visa are simply choosing not to believe the truth solely because DL cannot directly and openly say it.

    both routes involve very high stakes strategic issues that DL will not allow to work against DL.

     
    Hauenstein is very good at what he does but he does not have the gifts or desires to do everything that a CEO does, including dealing with labor related issues which consume a lot of Anderson's time.

    Hauenstein is well compensated as he should be. He is clearly the brains behind DL's commercial strategies but it takes a whole lot more to run an airline as good as DL is today. Hauenstein is also smart enough to not try to be people he is not.
     
  8. topDawg

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    I don't think it will be him who gets to replace Anderson (probably West or Ed, god help us all) but he has my vote. I have always really likely Glen. 
    Or bring Hank back from the credit union. 
     
    3rd. 
     
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  9. 700UW

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    being discussed on the AS forum.

    other carriers weren't interested in paying for the improvements at MIA that benefit AA. IIRC, it went to court and the other carriers ended up seeing their costs increase even though they didn't move or don't benefit from the AA facilities.
     
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    Actually, it went to court as you mentioned, and the result was that the other carriers got the South Terminal built for them, so they totally benefit from new facilities. 
     
  12. WorldTraveler

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    precisely... the same thing happened at DTW.

    but let's be clear that other carriers didn't need a new terminal, AA did.

    and AA's costs at MIA are far higher than in any other gateways - and that is exactly what AS does not want to happen.

    problem is that no one has come out and said that AS' point is valid. Everyone in authority recognizes that int'l carriers have subsidized numerous improvements to SEA which have largely benefitted AS and more importantly that SEA is in an enviable position to have as much interest in new int'l service. It is not only excellent for the airport but also for the city and region.

    I doubt if the entire facility will be built and paid for using PFCs but it is likely that some of the costs of the new facility will be born by all carriers and all passengers.

    that type of arrangement has happened at many airports.
     
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    The difference between MIA and SEA is that MIA was a s&&&hole of an airport. SEA's isn't. I've flown in and out of there on BA, and didn't see anything wrong with the international facilities. If BA, EK, and the Asian carriers aren't willing to pay for the upgrade, then why should all the domestic passengers going thru there have to foot the bill?
     
  14. WorldTraveler

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    but SEA does have common facilities and AS does have some int'l flights... and AS has benefitted from PFCs that were collected from int'l flights that were not used to upgrade int'l facilities.

    AS is paying part of the tab.
     
  15. LDVAviation

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    Holier than thou?  Was the fiction that there are current plans for a Terminal 9 at LAX a fact?  Was the fiction that LAWA would have to make a deal with Delta to build Terminal 9 a fact?  Those were your facts.  Why if you are so interested in the facts and not a "pissing contest" did you make up facts which make Delta's situation at LAX seem better?
     
    As to those 14-page pissing contexts, I have 49 posts on this forum.  World Traveler has 16,000+.   He's pissing on himself.  
     
    I only post something when you Delta fanboys fabricate facts about things I know.  (On that note, there is no world class university in Atlanta.)
     
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