IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[767 mechanic]

The reason he's so defensive is your showing others members of his "precious" IAM has scabs working for them.....you know, the type of people legitimate unions abhor!


  
Thanks for answering my question, instead of answering my question with another question, like someone else did!

Southwind

700 likes using the word ancillary to justify the iams actions. If this work was there's to do then they would have been doing it all of the time. It would have been part of there original language and would not have to be called ancillary. To me ancillary means written after the fact. So the language was written after nwa new the strike was eminent. He also tries to divert fault saying that the AMFAs sister unions crossed the picket line. He is the only one I have ever heard say that these are sister unions. Depending on the circumstances one time they have sister unions and the next time they are a rouge independent union. He also states that they were outsmarted. I don't think I would call it that because it took a lot more than nwa management. It took the so called unions,it took the government meaning the faa,nmb,employment commission the Bush administration and others to try and break this so called small and weak union. The end result was that nwa no longer exists and the AMFA is still going so who really won and who lost.

 

[767 mechanic]

Too early for dry wit?


All well and good, except that deicing was NOT normally performed by AMT's, nor had it been for many years leading up to the strike.

Dry wit does not bother me scabs and people that make excuses for them do. As far as AMT's doing the deicing I stand corrected. It was AMFA members doing it at certain stations.

 

[700UW]

Southwind

700 likes using the word ancillary to justify the iams actions. If this work was there's to do then they would have been doing it all of the time. It would have been part of there original language and would not have to be called ancillary. To me ancillary means written after the fact. So the language was written after nwa new the strike was eminent. He also tries to divert fault saying that the AMFAs sister unions crossed the picket line. He is the only one I have ever heard say that these are sister unions. Depending on the circumstances one time they have sister unions and the next time they are a rouge independent union. He also states that they were outsmarted. I don't think I would call it that because it took a lot more than nwa management. It took the so called unions,it took the government meaning the faa,nmb,employment commission the Bush administration and others to try and break this so called small and weak union. The end result was that nwa no longer exists and the AMFA is still going so who really won and who lost.

The language was and always has been in the IAM/NW Ramp CBA.

Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
Air Starts, and Receipt and Dispatch are ancillary duties, and please explain how that broke AMFA.
 
AMFA's own sister union the PFAA crossed the pickets and some even help clean planes on thru flights.
 
How can you say that AMFA wasnt outsmarted?
 
NW broke AMFA and NW, how many thousands mechanic and related lost their jobs due to AMFA being outsmarted?
 
How do you take a membership out on strike without a strike fund?
 
How do you expect the IAM to stand with AMFA when they wrote a letter to NW telling them to take more from all the IAM Members at NW so AMFA would take less concessions?
 
Guess you werent an English major either?
 
 

an·cil·lar·y

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adjective: ancillary

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   providing necessary support to the primary activities or operation of an organization, institution, industry, or system.
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noun: ancillary; plural noun: ancillaries

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   a person whose work provides necessary support to the primary activities of an organization, institution, or industry.
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[blue collar]

How do you expect the IAM to stand with AMFA when they wrote a letter to NW telling them to take more from all the IAM Members at NW so AMFA would take less concessions?

It wasn't the receipt/dispatch, or driving that broke AMFA. It was the IAM and the other unions standing with the company that broke AMFA. They weren't outsmarted, they were hung out to dry by the other 'labor' groups. How you can reconcile that in your head is what amazes me. 'An injury to one is an injury to all'

 

[700UW]

ALPA, PFAA(AMFA's sister union), the IAM, the IBT and the TWU didnt fix airplanes.
 
AMFA screwed themselves but alienating every other union at NW.

They were outsmarted, plain and simple, even Lorenzo didnt pull off what NW did to AMFA.

 

[blue collar]

ALPA, PFAA(AMFA's sister union), the IAM, the IBT and the TWU didnt fix airplanes.
 
AMFA screwed themselves but alienating every other union at NW.

They were outsmarted, plain and simple, even Lorenzo didnt pull off what NW did to AMFA.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, labor continues to suffer because we can't stick together.
You keep touting ancillary duties in the CBA, they also had a clause about recognizing picket lines. It doesn't matter now, it's all history. You can either see it for what it is or continue to view it through your rose colored glasses. They let their hurt feelings get the best of them, and chose the enemy of their enemy (which isn't your friend). If anyone got outsmarted, it was the pfaa and IAM. I noticed that their membership isn't represented anymore either. At least AMFA went down with a fight, can't say that about the others.

 

[700UW]

So it was ok for Delle to send a letter to NW during negotiations to take more from the IAM so AMFA can take less concessions?
 
It was ok for Delle to send a letter to Roach asking for help, Roach replied with certain conditions, and AMFA ignored it.
 
Yes the whole situation sucked, but AMFA made their bed and slept in it.
 
Someone had to know they were trying replacement mechanics.
 
How do you take a membership out on strike with no strike fund and no plan?
 
What fight?

Thousands lost their jobs, and NW stayed in business and merged with DL, and AMFA voluntarily gave up their certification without a vote after the merger.
 
Call a spade a spade, mistakes were made on all sides, except the only ones to lose were the NW Mechanics.
 
If AMFA was so great why did they have a ton of scabs cross the picket lines?

Why didnt AMFA members get to vote on the final offer from NW before the 30 day cooling off period ended?

 

[blue collar]

So it was ok for Delle to send a letter to NW during negotiations to take more from the IAM so AMFA can take less concessions?
 
It was ok for Delle to send a letter to Roach asking for help, Roach replied with certain conditions, and AMFA ignored it.
 
Yes the whole situation sucked, but AMFA made their bed and slept in it.
 
Someone had to know they were trying replacement mechanics.
 
How do you take a membership out on strike with no strike fund and no plan?
 
What fight?

Thousands lost their jobs, and NW stayed in business and merged with DL, and AMFA voluntarily gave up their certification without a vote after the merger.
 
Call a spade a spade, mistakes were made on all sides, except the only ones to lose were the NW Mechanics.
 
If AMFA was so great why did they have a ton of scabs cross the picket lines?

Why didnt AMFA members get to vote on the final offer from NW before the 30 day cooling off period ended?

I'm not here defending all of AMFA's choices, but they are certainly not as inept as you make them out to be. I am here to counter your narrative that the IAM is faultless in the outcome.

 

[700UW]

Explain how receipt and dispatch and air starts made NW win the strike?
 
And yes they were very inept, they alienated every other single work group at NW, then had the audacity to ask for their help.
 
AMFA won the battle with their previous CBA but lost the war.

And why dont you answer what I asked of you?

 

[blue collar]

Explain how receipt and dispatch and air starts made NW win the strike?
 
And yes they were very inept, they alienated every other single work group at NW, then had the audacity to ask for their help.
 
AMFA won the battle with their previous CBA but lost the war.

And why dont you answer what I asked of you?

I already stated that receipt/dispatch, and it should've said deicing, but autocorrected to driving- didn't break AMFA.
A union that is inept doesn't get a contract that then becomes the ask of all other unions.
It is duly noted that the IAM supports labor, as long as its demands are met - kind of like 'conditional unionism'. Got it.
As far as answering your questions, I don't answer to you. You aren't my wife, boss, lead, union brother, or even in the industry. Take the advice you give to Fraudster, and move on.

 

[700UW]

Have you read this thread?
 
AMFA wasnt doing deicing before the strike, and even if they did how many planes needed to be deiced in August?
 
Your lack of answers just shows you are wrong and dont want to admit what I posted was the reality of what happened.

 

[blue collar]

Likewise you didn't read what I previously wrote.
And my lack of answers doesn't change what happened. There's no point in continuously showing you the faults of the IAM, because you're blind to them.

 

[southwind]

Explain how receipt and dispatch and air starts made NW win the strike?
 
And yes they were very inept, they alienated every other single work group at NW, then had the audacity to ask for their help.
 
AMFA won the battle with their previous CBA but lost the war.
And why dont you answer what I asked of you?

 
Why? Because the mechanics were tired of an ineffective union and kicked the IAM to the curb?
 
 

 

[Kev3188]

Meanwhile, labor continues to suffer because we can't stick together.

The end.

...And until that changes, nothing will change...

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The end.

...And until that changes, nothing will change...

 
+1
 
 
While I agree completely I'd add that if the Labor movement has any hope of sustaining itself it must learn to separate its battles. 
 
There has always been inter-union politics and always will be - However, when ANY group goes on strike, YOU DO NOT CROSS - NO EXCEPTIONS - NO EXCUSES
 
The IAM crossed and performed struck work - Other NWA unions crossed as well - AMFA lost mechanics and the labor movement lost integrity and alot of credibility.