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[WorldTraveler]

I sure am for the people... but that doesn't mean unions are the way to do it. If DL didn't deliver what other airlines do, then DL people should vote in unions - and I have explicitly said that many times.

DL delivers what AA could employees could only wish they had. DL does it without unions.

Life is not one size fits all.

Excuse me but the Pope is calling.. .gotta take it.

 

[Kev3188]

Funny how WT is a man of the people on the AA Forum, yet so clearly anti-union here...

Yep, no double standards or hypocrisy from Rev. WrighT's pulpit.....

It's going to be an uphill challenge to do a card drive at DL while they're growing, making money and paying profit sharing.

All bets are off when/if they start contracting a bit, though.

Agreed.

No doubt the climb is steep. Interestingly, the company never seems to miss a chance to drive new card signings, though.

 

[Airlinelifer]

Funny how WT is a man of the people on the AA Forum, yet so clearly anti-union here...

Yep, no double standards or hypocrisy from Rev. WrighT's pulpit.....

It's going to be an uphill challenge to do a card drive at DL while they're growing, making money and paying profit sharing.

All bets are off when/if they start contracting a bit, though.

Funny how WT is a man of the people on the AA Forum, yet so clearly anti-union here...

Yep, no double standards or hypocrisy from Rev. WrighT's pulpit.....

It's going to be an uphill challenge to do a card drive at DL while they're growing, making money and paying profit sharing.

All bets are off when/if they start contracting a bit, though.

It won't be as hard as you think E. We had a hell of a time trying to convince the multitudes from PMDL ramp that the company stated spoke manpower goals will end up being 50% benefited (full-time/part-time [and the FT vs. PT ratio is up to ATL]) / 50% non-benefited (Ready Reserve). The above forecast is now fact........ it was confirmed by a visit from HQ.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thank you for confirming that DL is not sneaking around or deceptively misleading its people. It is knowingly and honestly presenting its business plan and following it and that is precisely why its employees find no need of a union to try to negotiate something that is inferior to what DL is offering its own employees.

We have seen multiple times that other carriers offer fewer cities than DL involving fewer employees and yet there are people with holes in their head that somehow think that a union can provide something better.

They clearly don't live in the same world as their peers who aren't about to trade places with their peers at other airlines.

IF the few DL employees who think they can do better with unions are convinced they can, then they need to pack their bags and leave. They won't be missed and some of us will celebrate their departure.

 

[TDR1502C]

IF the few DL employees who think they can do better with unions are convinced they can, then they need to pack their bags and leave. They won't be missed and some of us will celebrate their departure.

Why do the pilots and dispatchers at DAL choose to be unionized?

 

[WorldTraveler]

because the pilots made the choice decades ago and the risk/benefit ratio for those classes is different than it is for other employee groups... it also doesn't change the fact that for the current non-union employees, competitor CBAs are inferior to what DL is offering. In reality, DL's pilot CBA is superior to what other carriers are offering their pilots but there remain a few pilots who think that DL's record profits mean they should be entitled to more and more even if there is no market basis for their pay to increase even multiples higher than their peers.

No DL employee with an ounce of intelligence would risk the pay and benefits (s)he has now to go after a CBA like what their peers at other airlines have. Industry topping profit sharing, vacation time including PPT that is at the top of the charts, pay raises that are coming faster than any CBA has ever delivered are not things that any DL employee will risk.

The labor movement and its online shills are no different from the fools that are trying to sell beachfront real estate while a hurricane approaches.

 

[Kev3188]

IF the few DL employees who think they can do better with unions are convinced they can, then they need to pack their bags and leave. They won't be missed and some of us will celebrate their departure.

Hunh. That's a weird thing to say. To read it, it almost implies that you're still an "actual DL employee." How long's it been since you separated from the company?

Nobody's going anywhere. Those same activists that you're so ate up over will continue to deliver the professional service that's expected of them, and the company's results will reflect that.

Like I said earlier, enjoy the view.

Why do the pilots and dispatchers at DAL choose to be unionized?

Good question. Probably because they recognize the value it provides.

No DL employee with an ounce of intelligence would risk the pay and benefits (s)he has now to go after a CBA like what their peers at other airlines have.

Good thing any CBA would be crafted/voted on/ratified based on what "actual DL employees" want for themselves at their carrier then...

Industry topping profit sharing, vacation time including PPT that is at the top of the charts, pay raises that are coming faster than any CBA has ever delivered are not things that any DL employee will risk.

Why would they have to "risk" any of that?

 

[TDR1502C]

because the pilots made the choice decades ago and the risk/benefit ratio for those classes is different than it is for other employee groups... it also doesn't change the fact that for the current non-union employees, competitor CBAs are inferior to what DL is offering. In reality, DL's pilot CBA is superior to what other carriers are offering their pilots but there remain a few pilots who think that DL's record profits mean they should be entitled to more and more even if there is no market basis for their pay to increase even multiples higher than their peers.

No DL employee with an ounce of intelligence would risk the pay and benefits (s)he has now to go after a CBA like what their peers at other airlines have. Industry topping profit sharing, vacation time including PPT that is at the top of the charts, pay raises that are coming faster than any CBA has ever delivered are not things that any DL employee will risk.

The labor movement and its online shills are no different from the fools that are trying to sell beachfront real estate while a hurricane approaches.

Who are you carrying water for? Why is it acceptable for the pilots and dispatchers to belong to a union at Delta but wrong for other Delta employees to consider that option? Both groups have made important and significant efficiency suggestions to help the company moving forward. If other groups on the property could move their ideas upward the company would benefit. Efficiency doesn't have to come only from the top. Are there two classes of employees?

 

[WorldTraveler]

a tad territorial there, fido?

Sorry, but it's not your Delta, Mr. Interloper. You may have shown up at the party but you have yet to earn the right to be seated at the table.

You have to deal with those of us who built DL and aren't about to watch tr789 like you tear it apart.

the reason no rational employee would risk their salary and benefits, Mr. Rocket scientist with a defective circuit board, is because they know full well that negotiations would result in them getting no better than average - clearly less than what they have now.

Who are you carrying water for? Why is it acceptable for the pilots and dispatchers to belong to a union at Delta but wrong for other Delta employees to consider that option? Both groups have made important and significant efficiency suggestions to help the company moving forward. If other groups on the property could move their ideas upward the company would benefit. Efficiency doesn't have to come only from the top. Are there two classes of employees?

who said anything about efficiency or doing the job right.

I have never doubted that DL employees in all areas of the company do the job better than anyohe else.

I do however recognize as does anyone with a lick of intelligence that DL non-union employees do as well and perhaps proportionately better than their unionized DL peers do when compared with their peers at other airlines.

No rational employee - union or non-union is going to mess with the formula they have that is paying far better than their peers elsewhere.

 

[Kev3188]

a tad territorial there, fido?

Sorry, but it's not your Delta, Mr. Interloper. You may have shown up at the party but you have yet to earn the right to be seated at the table.

You have to deal with those of us who built DL and aren't to watch tr789 like you tear it apart.

Lol. Awesome.

Tr789? What does that mean? Trash? Why not just write that?

No, no marking of turf. Just pointing out a curiosity in what you wrote. You are separated from DL, right?

Don't worry, though. All the antecedent carrier employees brought something to the party. Nobody's sitting at the table, 'cause we're too busy building something great today. Your alma mater is in good hands.

You're welcome.

 

[WorldTraveler]

because of the intelligent employees who decided to ditch their unions, yes.

Because of you, no.

The company has its eyes on you, though. You are on a short leash.

 

[TDR1502C]

That amateur stuff doesn't work anymore more Worldtraveler. Why don't you join the professional team?

 

[Kev3188]

because of the intelligent employees who decided to ditch their unions, yes.

Because of you, no.

Now you're just being tetchy.

The company has its eyes on you, though. You are on a short leash.

Am I?

Meh. Wouldn't be the first time.

BTW, how is it you're privy to confidential HR info?

 

[700UW]

Guess you dont realize WN's unionized employees are the highest compensated in the industry,not DL.

And gee, WN has the highest percentage of unionize employees too.

 

[700UW]

because of the intelligent employees who decided to ditch their unions, yes.

Because of you, no.

The company has its eyes on you, though. You are on a short leash.

Seems like you are making a threat, no wonder why you were banned from Airliners.net.