Northwest Out Sourcing

This post Hackman just goes to show your full blown ignorance. Yes the people control the government. The problem here is people do not know how to use their voice to control their government. How many of you guys are going to vote democrat or republican the next election? We can all see how ignorant and useless robbed's voice is.

Dea is right, it is going to take a Grassroots effort to turn this country around.
Well scab, if your going to debate me here, you better invest in some remedial polictical lessons. BIG BUSINESS controls the government, look no further than NWA managements control of the NMB in the AMFA strike. I am a fan of neither party, although I do lean to the conservative side.

Have you ever heard of the phrase; "He who hath the gold...makes the rules? Look it up. Then read about the author of the quote.

Your a scab at sinking BK NWA, and that is ignorance in itself. :unsure:
 
Led by scoundrels? O.V. Delle-Femine is a licensed A+P mechanic who is also a veteran of the armed forces. He worked at AA as an AMT until,I believe,1964 to start AMFA. An aircraft mechanics union for aircraft mechanics. How does this make him a scroundrel? All the officers including Mr. Delle-Femine are elected by their peers,so if they were to become "scoundrels" they could be voted out of office or even recalled.

So what is the answer,PTO? Scabbing for less wages and benefits? Helping a corrupt management team decimate the AMT profession? Helping destroy the middle class? You're even destroying contract maintenance,PTO. Does suicide run in your family? You sure do like cutting your own throat.

My Dear Princess. Hackman and ThirdSeatHero, Did I strike a nerve here or what?

Yes, scoundrels that have made themselves rich from the sweat of the middle class. They have taken the membership dues and invested it in real estate deals for their own personal gain. Not only that they have brought forth this cult called AMFA and lured its members in with lies of democracy. They have used the AMT's in this strike as if they were expendable pawns.

The answer to the above questions Princess is No. I can tell you the answer isn't attacking the company that cuts your paycheck.
 
My Dear Princess. Hackman and ThirdSeatHero, Did I strike a nerve here or what?

Yes, scoundrels that have made themselves rich from the sweat of the middle class. They have taken the membership dues and invested it in real estate deals for their own personal gain. Not only that they have brought forth this cult called AMFA and lured its members in with lies of democracy. They have used the AMT's in this strike as if they were expendable pawns.

The answer to the above questions Princess is No. I can tell you the answer isn't attacking the company that cuts your paycheck.
'Cods have you have been reading the IAM hate AMFA manual? Listening to the IAM scabs at work are you?

Prove how Delle has made himself rich. He is not, by far.

Prove where AMFA has bought personal property with members dues. You can't, because it has not occured.

Prove where AMFA lied and lured anyone. The membership voted to strike Scab Air, case closed. Look to the TWU and IAM for liars.

Prove how AMFA used anyone as pawns. I anyone is a pawn, its you and your scab buddies.

NWA managemant attacked its employees again, as they have done for years and continue at this time. AMFA wanted NWA to succeed, they tried to negotiate, but management refused any and all offers. Nobody in AMFA wanted this strike, management wanted it. It was in the business plan all along, with filing BK. As as "at will" scab, you are the pawn. You prostituted yourself for money, thinking you had your chance to get in at a major, because you couldn't get on before. You boasted how you got your bonuses, a free Chinese tool set, and free flights to go skiing.

In reality, you fell for the biggest lie of all...a scab career at NWA. If anyone is a fool, it is you.
 
Hackman, I think you forgot to take you blood pressure pills today. You better be careful or the wife won't let you get online anymore.

Actually Hackman I have been talking to and listening to the AMFA Boys here that crossed over.

The members voted in favor of a strike because they were lied to. I cant say which way the vote would have gone if they knew the truth about NWA's preparedness but the election was bogus with out that information.

My career is in aviation and not dedicated to any one company. I understand the fact that there is no such thing as a permanent job in the aviation industry.

Why don't you ask AMFA where all the money is?
 
When AMFA came on board, in June, 1999, most NWA mechanics looked at it as a chance for a fresh start with NWA and to put 50 years of animosity behind us. NWA didn't even pretend they thought that way, they immediately embarked on a campaign that reminded many old timers of the bad old days of Don Nyrop, the guy who took the doors off the bathroom stalls.

It's only a matter of time before the scabs learn the same lesson.
If I remember correctly, I was doing heavy checks on Mesabas A/C at that time. I was actually in support of AMFA then, because they apeared to be different than all the other unions, in that they werent hip deep in the pockets of our more socialist leaning political party. More importantly, they promised to elevate A and P's to a skilled worker status. I remember thinking to myself..."well its about damn time!"....well. its several years later, and all that comes to mind is a line from the "WHO", meet the new boss, same as the old boss!"

Kev,

Read "Nickled and Dimed" and it scared me half out of my socks.

Steinbeck rocks. My favorite was "Cannery Row". I loved "The Pearl" too. Amazing how well they hold up, isn't it?

Dea
Cannery Row is a fantastic novel, as are most of stienbecks....havent read "Nickled and Dimed" yet, but plan on picking up a copy soon. I Want to read it first before posting comments. I do know That erinriech tends to lean a little far to the left for my tastes, but I look forward to reading her book none-the-less>

I agree, but workers must be in a conserted in our efforts. If we could ever get the AFL-CIO removed from big businesses back pocket, the rebuilding could begin. Starting with a national wildcatter, lasting a month or more!!!!! :shock:

Cods', don't tell me what I need. Your going to be crying to your mommy to get that big NWA bully off you soon enough. Stay with some you know, such as tongue washing the man's boots in a timely manner. ;)
Interesting idea, but have you fully considered the implication of such a wild cat strike on the US economy?
Many ideas that seem well meaning and positive in the heat of emotion often fall terrible victims to the law of unintended consequences.

This post Hackman just goes to show your full blown ignorance. Yes the people control the government. The problem here is people do not know how to use their voice to control their government. How many of you guys are going to vote democrat or republican the next election? We can all see how ignorant and useless robbed's voice is.

Dea is right, it is going to take a Grassroots effort to turn this country around.
Yes, the people DO control the Govt....the question is, WHO CONTROLS THE PEOPLE? ANSWER: Media and pop culture!
Dea is right that there is an attack on our way of life. I would opine, however, that the attack comes not from Washington, but from Hollywood and New York. Big media, big Music, and Big Hollywood have done more to destroy this nation than the Bushes could ever hope to do. This may be why I hold such a distrust for MODERN labor. They, along with One particular political party, are DEEP in bed with Big media.

The lobbyists control the government ONLY because we as a country ALLOW it.

You fall into that "Republicrat" nonsense, focusing on how Bush "Stole" the election from Gore. which ignores the basic fact that LESS THEN HALF the population voted for either candidate. Mr. I don't give a crap you decide won the election any you worry about who the Democrats are going to nominate. Be real! There is 51% of the population out there just crying out to be energized and the "Republicrats" aren't the answer.

If you look at history the only time things have changed is when the populace rose up in righteous indignation. There is an informal movement called G.R.I.P out there which stands for Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians. What a basic concept. Just start throwing out the incumbents and watch Washington wake up.

BUT NOOOOOO Not the Democrat lap dog AFL-CIO who contributes millions while business interests contribute billions. What a bunch of dummies.
Hmmmm.....could that really be the scent of an independent thinker? Do such people stll exist? Perhaps there is hope after all.....
 
I'm neither republican or democrat. Both political parties are infested with crooked individuals who work for the lobbyists, not the people. I agree that a grassroots effort is needed to get rid of both the republican and democratic parties and replace them with political parties that are not controlled by the lobbyists, but the American people. The corruption in both the republican and democratic parties is too entangled to irrradicate. Only a complete wipeout of the demos and repubs will allow the American political system to start over with a clean slate.
Interestng premise, and I'm not all that sure I disagree with you on this. The problem is, if you replace both parties, you must create at least 2 more. A one party rule will not work, as there is no checks and balances. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as we have seen in Big corperations, Big media, and Big labor.
While this topic is a favorite of mine, it digresses form the theme of this forum, which is aviation. So, to prevent inducing a stroke in the moderator, I present to you, without further ado, this thought and comment. The biggest problem with NWA is that they dont have a single tail rotor on any of thier aircraft!
 
I have much to say but I shall refrain! Anyone with a fundamental sense of right & wrong would not cross a picket line. 'nuff said!
Why Not?
By the same logic, any muslim would say the same thing about not embracing Muhammed, or a Jew could say the same about obeying the Talmud. Or a Christian could say the same about desecrating the cross, ala Roger Maplethorpe.
I am not a unionist. I have never ascribed to thier particular religion. Why should I be attacked simply because I dont follow thier beliefs or customs. All around the world, Jews are getting murdered because they dont follow the quran. Christian are prosecuted for taking a stand against secularism. Buhddists are being inprisoned in Tibet for thier beliefs. The list is endless. If you want to picket, and boycott a partcular company, thats your business. I support you right to do so, as long as you remain PROFESSIONAL!
'nuff said
 
Why Not?
By the same logic, any muslim would say the same thing about not embracing Muhammed, or a Jew could say the same about obeying the Talmud. Or a Christian could say the same about desecrating the cross, ala Roger Maplethorpe.
I am not a unionist. I have never ascribed to thier particular religion. Why should I be attacked simply because I dont follow thier beliefs or customs. All around the world, Jews are getting murdered because they dont follow the quran. Christian are prosecuted for taking a stand against secularism. Buhddists are being inprisoned in Tibet for thier beliefs. The list is endless. If you want to picket, and boycott a partcular company, thats your business. I support you right to do so, as long as you remain PROFESSIONAL!
'nuff said
Your post is pure nonsensical BS and you are merely trying to justify your LOWLIFE SCAB mentality. UNIONISM is not RELIGION in any sense or form and If you really don't know the difference,...well all I can say is your education was a waste of time.

You don't have to be Pro Union to be Pro American, but UNITY means strength and for some one who claims to be an ex-"jarhead" that concept would have been drilled into your head from day one. when you decide to cross a picket line, you are telling the whole world that this trade is overpaid, that your craft should go to the lowest bidder, that the men and women who fought generations to raise the bar for the middle class are nothing more than doormats.

sharing an ideaology is not the same as sharing a religious belief, and to make such an ignorant statement as the one you posted above only makes you look even less credible. We as a country are just standing by and watching as the Good paying jobs are being outsourced, while those like yourself are helping to assure that it continues.
 
Hackman, I think you forgot to take you blood pressure pills today. You better be careful or the wife won't let you get online anymore.

Actually Hackman I have been talking to and listening to the AMFA Boys here that crossed over.

The members voted in favor of a strike because they were lied to. I cant say which way the vote would have gone if they knew the truth about NWA's preparedness but the election was bogus with out that information.

My career is in aviation and not dedicated to any one company. I understand the fact that there is no such thing as a permanent job in the aviation industry.

Why don't you ask AMFA where all the money is?


How were the AMTs at NWA lied to??? I don't even/have never worked for NWA and I knew about the replacements in Arizona, I saw the video expose' I read NWA PR stating they had over 2,000 replacements in reserve. So what were the AMTs lied to about???

As far as your accusations about financial mishandling of union funds, I suggest you contact the DOL(Department of Labor) they take these things rather seriously. You should know that ALL UNIONS are audited on many levels to flesh out just this sort of thing. Personally, having been through alot of this before, I think you're just talking foolishness.

JMHO
 
I saw the video expose' I read NWA PR stating they had over 2,000 replacements in reserve. So what were the AMTs lied to about???

This information wasn't released till after the strike vote. Then it was down played during the 30 day cool off period. "A handful of scabs learning to work on the aircarft that you might or might not want to fly on." The AMFA Boys here even say they were lied to. They were told a few hundred, by AMFA.

Quit trying to confuse the facts.
 
This information wasn't released till after the strike vote. Then it was down played during the 30 day cool off period. "A handful of scabs learning to work on the aircarft that you might or might not want to fly on." The AMFA Boys here even say they were lied to. They were told a few hundred, by AMFA.

Quit trying to confuse the facts.


You are either a blatant liar or extremely ignorant.

The AMTs vote at NWA was tallied 7-19-05

This is just one link proving you incorrect...NOTE THE DATE OF THE REPORT! JULY 7th 2005!!!

http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3564212&nav=menu216_5
 
How cute, a vague report made in Arizona that says nothing of the number of mechanics or their capabilities. This is certainly information that I would use to vote for a strike that could cost me my job.

Your pathetic attempt to backpeddle is duely noted.

You were proven wrong and are now trying to requalify your remarks. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS!

""" This information wasn't released till after the strike vote. """

On this alone you've been PROVEN wrong. Do you really believe this is the ONLY piece of information released prior to the strike???

Before you make an even bigger fool of yourself you might wish to restate your position.
 
This was aired just before the strike vote. It is obvious AMFA was lost. could thay have downplayed the program any more?

http://www.amfa32.com/newscab.wmv

No, it seems you're the one who is lost.

Heres a few more links proving your original post as nonsense.

Heres one that talks about replacement workers back in May of 2005, obviously well before the strike vote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/ohio/business/578.../printstory.jsp

Heres another that puts the number of replacements at 400 as early as the begining of June 2005, WELL BEFORE THE STRIKE VOTE!

http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=21573


Here are 2 more that took place after the strike vote but before the strike that CLEARLY list the replacements numbers over a thousand, not "a handful" as you allude to in your post.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=103817

http://www.dfw.com/mld/realcities/business.../printstory.jsp

Plain and simple, YOU ARE WRONG!