RIF Notices

[unionguy1]

Seniority Rules. If a guy served the company for 30 years and they close his station and he wants to bump to let's say Miami but he can't because the junior guy in the system lets say is in LAX with 6 months in,why should he suffer in California in a place he doesn't want to be and a junior guy in Miami with a year in gets to stay in Miami so the senior guy doesnt want LAX and goes to the street. In times of layoffs and station closures a senior mechanic should be able to bid where his seniority holds. This is why we pay union dues. Job Protection. I can understand JetBlue or Delta ruling by juniority but not a union shop. This is a scam by AA to get rid of senior people. This has nothing to do with collateral damage.

Yep that is the way it should be but the TWU never negotiated for that type of language. Time sign an AMFA card and vote these weasels out.

 

[Bob Owens]

Yep that is the way it should be but the TWU never negotiated for that type of language. Time sign an AMFA card and vote these weasels out.

Not too sure about that. I think our rules were much like everyone else's but we gave up seniority for the extra $12500 that "protected workers" would get. Now we no longer have protection, no longer get the $12500 and still have the Juniority system.

Like I said its all about saving AA money. By denying the senior man the ability to bump wherever his seniority can hold AA saves by not paying all the guys affected by the ripple the $12000. If it was really about trying to minimize inconvenience then they simply would not lay off and give buy outs.

 

[Rogallo]

You guys have some f/u seniority rules.

We have a f/u union.

AMFA NOW.

 

[comatose]

We have a f/u union.

AMFA NOW.

Exactly what the TWU wants for M & R to vote them out so they can keep the 4.5%? stake in the new AA.
Why else would the TWU release the full membership names and addresses to the IBT?

 

[CactUSmx]

I think the AA mechanics would have a better contract today if there was no TWU. Having no union is better than having TWU. Look at Delta and JetBlue. Those guys. Not doing bad at all

 

[1AA]

Exactly what the TWU wants for M & R to vote them out so they can keep the 4.5%? stake in the new AA.
Why else would the TWU release the full membership names and addresses to the IBT?

To divert the interest away from the AMFA.
Guys are buying the IBT bull.
IBT will never file but the time that all this consumes will play the patience of the members and then the guys will be discouraged again with any drive.
This plays right into the hands of the TWU International to keep us from getting a real craft union. The bigger issue is merger protection. WE GAVE IT AWAY by voting this POS deal in. We need AMFA now more than ever. If a merger goes through under the TWU's watch we are all done forever.

 

[1AA]

I think the AA mechanics would have a better contract today if there was no TWU. Having no union is better than having TWU. Look at Delta and JetBlue. Those guys. Not doing bad at all

Not really. AA has had the union culture around for over 50 years. AA would love no unions on the floor. The culture at Delta and JetBlue are different. They can get along and deal with the employees better than we can at AA with a union.

 

[Kev3188]

Or it's just easier to keep employees at those carriers in line, since there's nothing stopping them from implementing whatever they want.

*Not an endorsement of the TWU @ AA, by the way...

 

[Bob Owens]

Or it's just easier to keep employees at those carriers in line, since there's nothing stopping them from implementing whatever they want.

*Not an endorsement of the TWU @ AA, by the way...

Well I guess its easier to keep them "in line" when you pay a higher wage, give more holidays, more vacation and more sick time than their Unionized counterparts get at places like US or AA.

 

[lpbrian]

You all are stupid. Did ya hear in Michigan Right To work just passed by the Republicans!!!

 

[lpbrian]

Seniority Rules. If a guy served the company for 30 years and they close his station and he wants to bump to let's say Miami but he can't because the junior guy in the system lets say is in LAX with 6 months in,why should he suffer in California in a place he doesn't want to be and a junior guy in Miami with a year in gets to stay in Miami so the senior guy doesnt want LAX and goes to the street. In times of layoffs and station closures a senior mechanic should be able to bid where his seniority holds. This is why we pay union dues. Job Protection. I can understand JetBlue or Delta ruling by juniority but not a union shop. This is a scam by AA to get rid of senior people. This has nothing to do with collateral damage.

Sounds like you got it all figured out . Cactdork writes labor rules.....

 

[cf6mech]

Total joke whats going on with the RIFS at AFW/DWH/DFW,...........if senority doesn't rule and serve you today, it will not rule and serve you tomorrow.....Karma is a strange thing.......this Union has to go.....and now !

 

[southwind]

Seniority Rules. If a guy served the company for 30 years and they close his station and he wants to bump to let's say Miami but he can't because the junior guy in the system lets say is in LAX with 6 months in,why should he suffer in California in a place he doesn't want to be and a junior guy in Miami with a year in gets to stay in Miami so the senior guy doesnt want LAX and goes to the street. In times of layoffs and station closures a senior mechanic should be able to bid where his seniority holds. This is why we pay union dues. Job Protection. I can understand JetBlue or Delta ruling by juniority but not a union shop. This is a scam by AA to get rid of senior people. This has nothing to do with collateral damage.

Nice try, but Delta rules by seniority, especially during a RIF !

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Nice try, but Delta rules by seniority, especially during a RIF !

They do not.

You cannot go bump someone at the station of you choice when you are laid off at Delta.

Feel free to post the rules that Delta has for procedures to follow during a layoff.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Seniority Rules. If a guy served the company for 30 years and they close his station and he wants to bump to let's say Miami but he can't because the junior guy in the system lets say is in LAX with 6 months in,why should he suffer in California in a place he doesn't want to be and a junior guy in Miami with a year in gets to stay in Miami so the senior guy doesnt want LAX and goes to the street. In times of layoffs and station closures a senior mechanic should be able to bid where his seniority holds. This is why we pay union dues. Job Protection. I can understand JetBlue or Delta ruling by juniority but not a union shop. This is a scam by AA to get rid of senior people. This has nothing to do with collateral damage.

You are correct that seniority should be able to choose where he/she wants to go and yrs ago thats the way it was. But here at AA the TWU and AA decided to bump the lowest senior in the system. That is the rule here. But each and every layoff is different and the TWU makes so many deals with AA and conducts each layoff different.
Red border this station this time, next layoff another just to please what ever group that's kissin butt at the moment. Now that O/H facilities are being hit, they want to be able to choose where they want to go change the rules. It would be ok if we had a say on how its done but here at AA the twu&management, make deals and the membership suffers. Back in 2001 no one made a big deal when they cut 250+ heads from LAX sent the guys packing all over the system. But now its the O/H boys and we can't do that because we need them to keep the TWU in power. No consistency, make up rules as we go, that's the TWU way.