WN Mechanics seek mediation

Discussion in 'Southwest Airlines/Airtran Airways' started by WNMECH, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. Go Figure

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    I got an idea. Family Day. Show em who's boss. Step it up. Get with Seham and get his input and strategy. File a lawsuit. That will work !!!! Go Figure!!??
     
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  2. B737 driver

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    Hey Go Figure we got two of the asshole ALRS replaced, so that's a start.
     
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  3. swamt

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    I know of one but didn't realize you had two on your list. Who might be the second one you refer to?
    I have also been hearing that the BC replacement will try to come in and stir things up per say. But I am very confident our existing nego team won't allow any mishaps or anything that may cause delays to happen. It would also be pretty stupid to come into nego's after the rest of them have been there for going on several years as well as from the very beginning and try to start throwing your weight around like you own the place. AMFA National as well as the nego team will not let that happen while we are so close to an agreement.
    I just hope the company will end up meeting for all the dates mediator and AFMA has so far agreed to for Jan 2019.
     
  4. B737 driver

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    That would be the guy Dallas replaced last year.
     
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  5. swamt

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    I have heard rumors of meetings being set for late Jan., and early Feb.
    Not sure on the dates, but I haven't heard anything from AMFA or the company on these rumors.
    If it is true the only dates the company would attend are not until late Jan. is just another game playing, propaganda attempt to stall out nego's once again.
    This just confirms the company is NOT serious when they say they want to get a deal done.
    Even the new company nego team is all talk once again and no action...
     
  6. 737MAX7

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    Jan 24, 25th and Feb 7 and 8th.
     
  7. swamt

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    Thanks for the dates. I did not hear the exact dates as of then.
    So we are back to 2 days each month again it looks like. Company said no to other 2 dates requested by mediator.
    The company is full of shite as far as wanting to get this done. Still playing their game tactics I see. So much for this new nego team saying they want to resolve this. Actions speak louder than words. Typical...
     
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  8. B737 driver

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    If they get ETOPS less power we have, we are no better than American. We are getting played by both sides. The company continues to save money, and our Union AMFA continues to get it's dues money. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.
     
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  9. B737 driver

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    Ha-! Ha! -
     
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  10. swamt

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    Yes you do driver, or you would not have posted. We all still care, but most of us are just frustrated to the bone on how long it is taking.
    Did you read the email sent out by co. about the upcoming dates? If so, is this Adam guy the new "lead nego." for the company? Just curious.
    In his letter he states that the AMFA side could only agree to the late Jan dates out of the three being offered. He also stated that the mediator is the one that said picke one of the three choices as far as Jan was concerned. Meeting early Feb. and maybe the company (to show just how serious they are) could get with AMFA and both sides push on the mediator to set more meetings per month like American did with their asso. over at AA with their nego's. Maybe it takes both sides to request in order to get the mediator to budge. Otherwise it will be some time just meeting a lousy 2 days per month is just pathetic and really shows no extra effort by the company wanting to get this done.
    ETOPS not holding the contract up directly. Company is, but, it very well could be because of the delays with ETOPS. Who really knows???
     
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    To add a little more, the letter also addressed that the union couldn't agree to the earlier dates in Jan. due to the change in representation at the table on the union's side with the recent ALR changes. Makes sense, but just another delay.
    If we go by the other groups that have rejected their offers, the second offer to vote on should be around 10-13 months from the first one. So maybe by Aug of 2019---7 years...
     
  12. B737 driver

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    Frustrated is the understatement. I figured if just economics we should be done by April or May 2019. That would be a year from our T/A. However I am sure that if the economics are there it will pass. But you better get what you can get, because when this process is done, it will take an average of 5 years or longer after a contract ends for maintenance.
     
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  13. swamt

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    Really not disagreeing with you, but with just once a month for 2 days meetings set, I don't see an April or May conclusion with these very weak meetings being set.
    You right. If the economics are there it will pass. Meaning full retro for the 5 year pay freeze. Correct snap-up % to bring us up to date of signing, and a respectable % for the outgoing years. The games this company has tried to play by leaving out years with no raises, claiming that moving the contract date does nothing financially for the company (37 million lie right there that our economist proved to them), and trying to sell a 2.2% raise to the membership instead of a 3-4% for outgoing years. Not a greedy ask by the union at all. What is so over the top greedy is the company expecting us to jump on their first low ball offer after they froze us for now over 6 years, not gonna happen. Make us whole for their pay freeze to "take care of the investors" and then move on.
    I am just sick and tired of this company expecting us to take pennies on the dollar for what they have always offered us in the past. We knew the pay freeze was coming as it was stated by the company that the other airlines need to catch up first while GK "takes care of the investors". Well, that time has come and past now, it's time to take care of the employees and move on with future growth and profits so everyone is happy.
    Remember the company trying to pay us pennies on the dollar for our sick time trying to get us to jump on the new sick policy? They refused to pay us full for pulling our "earned" sick time back. Then, they turned around and forced it on management and office workers behind the wall. For most of us that have thousands of hours saved in the sick bank, this was a slap in the face. I 'll keep my "earned" sick balance for when I need it later on in life. Just another example of this company trying to get by with not paying what they are suppose to pay and agreed to pay just to save them a few pennies.
    On a final note; I too want this done ASAP, but I will not allow them to get by with another attempt to get out of what we need to make us whole for helping out the company, period. Everybody is getting sick of it. 75-80% of us told them so on that last vote. I am hoping the companies move to replace the nego team was a move to really move things along as the company said it was.
    The next meeting will tell us everything if the company is serious or just gonna continue their games and disrespect to us. But, I will say that I am more to believe things will move forward much better since they replaced all the game players, well almost all of them, at least 99% of them. And with the changes made on our side of the table, maybe something will get done this time around.
    BTW driver, 401K and profit sharing is also to be included in the "making us whole". Economics includes "all" economics.
    Sorry for rambling...
     
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  14. B737 driver

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    That's fine would be nice to six weeks vacation for 25 years,-which I will have next year. Sometimes I think they will just buy an Airline that has ETOPS. This just proves that all maintenance in the industry is having a hard time getting contracts. I feel when this done, there might be more,leadership changes in AMFA, at least we can vote.Is it in are budget that the people negotiating have professional labor relations degrees?
     
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  15. swamt

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    They asked for the 6th week at 25 years, along with some other adjustments within the vac language. Co. response was, "you guys have enough time off already" and that's because we use our day trades for that, it is not enough vac. I agree, we need one more week like the other airlines get 6 and even 7 weeks with United.
    It would be smart to leave the ETOP's language alone as suggested by AMFA, matter fact, in order to get a speedier response from the gov to bless for ETOP's just leave all language as is and adjust the economics where they should be and send it out for a vote. That would be the fastest way to a conclusion and maybe even by April as you first suggested. Just still do not want the April to be the contract date, leave it at Aug as is.
    We can vote and we can make changes. I don't think I can agree with your statement that there will be some changes at the top, all they did was what the membership wanted. Besides, I think the changes made at the table should be what was needed. But do not think that BC will not be putting in his two cents with the new replaced ALR.
    I know of no such language for professional labor relations degrees. However, I have heard from many guys that they are gonna make motions for professional nego's along with the professional economist be representing or at least advisors during nego's. Not a bad idea to have the proof and back up to show why the ask in numbers and where we stand in pay in direct relation to our CEO's pay. That what our economist did long ago in the very beginning as well as past practices. This way the new co. nego team knows that we are not just pulling numbers out of our arses and air. Hits home a lot better when you can show and prove your point and much harder for the co. to argue it especially with the mediators present.
    I think we will see some future language changes in the constitution to address your question about professional nego's and economist. Hiring our economist was a great move.
     
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