2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

Are either of them Janitors?

I think maybe part-time... they are otherwise full-time frauds!

 

[Tim Nelson]

This man is highly regarded and called upon within our Industry Tim. And he has the credentials and history to back it up. It is an absolute counter to your assessment of how you see things though.

http://www.swelblog.com/swelbar/

I'm actually not even arguing about the management end of the business.   I do know that management will find a way if a way is there to screw union folks, and even create ways if we let them. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim's entire reality is seen, and perceived through his "Union Sucks" Goggles...

Myself, and I believe the great majority of members remain disappointed in the American Labor movement.  If you wan to applaud it then carry on.  We need a paradigm shift as it is in sore need of a major tuneup.  Republicans shouldn't be winning this war Roabilly.

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://web.archive.org/web/20070212080207/http://www.cwa.net/news/page.jsp?itemID=27504576

US Airways CWA’ers have voted overwhelmingly for the proposed alliance…
October 13, 2005

http://web.archive.org/web/20070726074220/http://www.cwa.net/news/page.jsp?itemID=27504522
US Airways passenger service pay step freeze will be lifted, Holiday Option II will be resumed, and Mainline Express agents will be increased to the Mainline rate of pay...
December 6, 2005
CWA Local Officers and Staff

The new Passenger Service Employee Association IBT + CWA has reached an Interim Transition Agreement with US Airways management on all the outstanding seamless service and transition issues, and we will accordingly withdraw our change of control grievance. After two months of negotiations by the committee (CWA Local Officers, attorneys and staff and IBT attorneys and staff) the agreement calls for the following:


The NMB officially certifies the IBT-CWA Association as the certified representative for the US Passenger Service Employees

May 1, 2006
CWA


The National Mediation Board has made their determination official; the Airline Customer Service Employee Association, IBT-CWA (Association), is now the certified representative of the entire craft or class of passenger Service Employees at US Airways. No organization or individual filed to intervene within 14 days of the Board's April 4. 2006 determination.

US Airways agreed to recognize the CWA/IBT Association as the legal representative of the agents and agreed not to intervene as a result of the Interim Transition agreement they signed with the Association. NMB Certification

There it is.  I thought you guys gained a lot.  Having the mainline express pay lifted was a smooth move.

 

[Tim Nelson]

NYer,
 
Let me clear this up, I do not think your negotiating team did anything shady, I think they did good considering circumstances they were in. Tim has not been in these situations whereas I have, so believe me I understand what this management team is all about and I know that it is easy for Tim or anybody else who hasn't been there to say they could do better.
 
If my memory serves me you do not have the MOU to help you with station openings. Your first MOU had that but it was re-worked once or twice and I don't think you have that anymore because of the stock you received. Going by memory though so don't quote me.
 
P. Rez

This has nothing to do with "Tim".  Why do you guys mention my name in every post?  If so, then knock off the quote mines.  What I said was that they did a shady job of presenting the contract.  Either you are ignorant about it and weren't paying attention or you just blew it off.  Their highlight sheet was a lie.  I know, I talked to a lot of these ORD agents.  The TWU told them that all 17 stations are protected for the duration.  That's not true as you know. 
 
Don't bring my name up if you take things out of context.  What I said, in context, was the lies they portrayed to their members.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think maybe part-time... they are otherwise full-time frauds!

Roabilly,
 
do you ever have anything to add anymore?  Seems every 4th word is about me in your "Get Timmy" Barbie tantrums.  BTW,  you never answered my question about the United contract.  Do you think it is fair to the United members for an eboard to endorse the TA and recommend its passage?  A simple Yes or No?  Or, um, do you still rent your brain out? lol

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm actually not even arguing about the management end of the business.   I do know that management will find a way if a way is there to screw union folks, and even create ways if we let them. 

Then Tim if you don't look at it from their perspective (The Business side) you will constantly be doomed to failure.  That to me is the biggest failure of our leaders. Not attempting to understand their point of view so you can discover the means against their arguments. Look at the VW works council and how they do business in Germany. It's a partnership for the betterment of both the company and the workers.

That's what needs to come here to America and both sides need to embrace the idea and concept.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

This has nothing to do with "Tim".  Why do you guys mention my name in every post?  If so, then knock off the quote mines.  What I said was that they did a shady job of presenting the contract.  Either you are ignorant about it and weren't paying attention or you just blew it off.  Their highlight sheet was a lie.  I know, I talked to a lot of these ORD agents.  The TWU told them that all 17 stations are protected for the duration.  That's not true as you know. 
 
Don't bring my name up if you take things out of context.  What I said, in context, was the lies they portrayed to their members.

There were never any lies portrayed Tim. That is your constant interpretations of contract proposals when they are released to the membership. There is always a highlight sheet that shows the major things people are interested in. And we now have the tools available to us to discuss and disect the full contract language when it is published with numerous social media pages and also a page like this one. The membership has to at least have a small measure of responsibility to educate themselves to what they are signing don't you think?

And your name is constantly brought up because you are the one who continues to twist things to suit your needs. I swear sometimes it's like dealing with Loki or something.

 

[WeAAsles]

Loki's relation with the gods varies by source. Loki sometimes assists the gods and sometimes causes problems for them. Loki is a shape shifter and in separate incidents he appears in the form of a salmon, mare, seal, a fly, and possibly an elderly woman. Loki's positive relations with the gods end with his role in engineering the death of the god Baldr. Loki is eventually bound by the gods with the entrails of one of his sons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
 

 

[700UW]

So John John,

Are you going to honor a picket line?
 
How many times do I have to ask you before you will answer, you seem to keep ignoring it.

 

[737823]

So John John,

Are you going to honor a picket line?
 
How many times do I have to ask you before you will answer, you seem to keep ignoring it.

Did the IAM honor AMFAs picket line?

Other unions crossed the IBEW/CWA picket lines during Verizon, maybe john john thinks it's okay.

Josh

 

[pjirish317]

I have an idea. Why don't we wait and see if/when either DL141 or 142 will be released for self help. Because I seriously doubt it will get to a strike.

 

[700UW]

Did the IAM honor AMFAs picket line?

Other unions crossed the IBEW/CWA picket lines during Verizon, maybe john john thinks it's okay.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Good strike information:
 
http://www.iam141.org/docs/usairwaysbriefing2014.pdf

 

[roabilly]

Roabilly,
 
do you ever have anything to add anymore?  Seems every 4th word is about me in your "Get Timmy" Barbie tantrums.  BTW,  you never answered my question about the United contract.  Do you think it is fair to the United members for an eboard to endorse the TA and recommend its passage?  A simple Yes or No?  Or, um, do you still rent your brain out? lol

Well Tim,
 
Let’s review why so many here are now questioning your replies and motives. You have been on this site since 2003, during that time, you have posted 4,310 times. If you were to review the entire body of text from ALL of these posts, 90% of them are inflammatory toward the Union, and their Leadership.
 
Of course, the main theme has always been the same... you attempt to cast doubt on the integrity of the Union by claiming there is some deep conspiracy along with slight of hand tricks to dupe the Membership in the company’s favor.
 
Generally, you fail to mention the entire process regarding bankruptcy proceedings and all the detriment they induced. All along, you champion replacement tickets to overthrow the Leadership even before they have been in place long enough to prove their mettle...
 
No matter how you look at it, you deserve to be called out and questioned on here by every single reader.