2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Harry Callahan]

P. Rez
What banking customers does Joshe have, oh same ones I do roflmao.
 
Harry

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are being dishonest again:
 
 

 
 
Learn to Read and Comprehend:
 

Paragraph 7 from the Alliance Agreement.

absolutely. Everything you highlighted confirms what the iams intentions are, and it refers to "combined talks". Further, the second part of the "until" context has nothing to do with anything other than the iam feels usairways should be fair. Both sentences together read that although the iam eill negotiate stand alone "until" single carrier, they are hopeful that usairways does the right thing. You are either reading it wrong or bs because you can reduce the timeline in sentence one nor can you wish away the mission of the association of combined talks.

Qimo the language is above you, not meaning that to be mean, but you simply dont have any understanding of language.

In application, what you said cant be applied anyways with the association unless you say that the twu is going to be involved in our negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought you posted months ago and reaffirmed recently that you were ignoring me. What happened to those plans?Josh

You all are providing the platform for Josh/ and Tim to continue with their agenda. Your members have already stated that they want to be informed and aren't interested in all these other distractions.

You guys are the ones keeping the fire stoked just to inform you.

 

[700UW]

You are cherry picking again timmie:
 
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3. Q: Will the forming of the Association impact the current IAM-US Airways negotiations?
 
A: No. The IAM will continue bargaining with US Airways for its current members at the stand-alone carrier until the National Mediation Board determines US Airways and  American Airlines are operating as a single carrier. The IAM’s position is that US Airways must fulfill its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM before joint negotiations begin.

Paragraph 7 from the Alliance Agreement.
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In accordance with the Railway Labor Act, each existing collective bargaining agreement of the Individual Labor Partner (reached with American Airlines or US Airways) and/or the applicable “status quo” conditions will remain in effect.  The Association as Employee representative will endeavor to negotiate a single, combine Collective Bargaining Agreement with the goal of improving rates of pay, benefits and other terms and conditions of the Employee members of the Mechanic and Related Craft or Class at the Carrier.
 

 

[Rook]

Well I've just recieved my 3rd email in 4 days about UA contract and how they are talking to Senators and congressman about it.
I just wonder how come I don't get updates that they are talking to these same peeps on why the NMB has not release IAM141&142 after declaring an impasse in February!

 

[700UW]

The Board has not declared an impasse, if they did, the 30 day cooling off period would have started.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are cherry picking again timmie:
 
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Paragraph 7 from the Alliance Agreement.
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will endeaver what??? Explicitly to bargain a combined (not my wording) contract. Where on God's earth do you get any notion of the associations mission to negotiate stand alone? And you do realize this is 100% after single carrier. Also, of course it is the iams position that usair be fair. Thats my position and all of our position. But the iam explicitly said it will negotiate stand alone "until" single carrier.

Basically they will just blame management or the nmb after they F up negotiations and get $0 just like at united.

 

[737823]

Tim,
With the merger and alliance I think 141 should make changes to give the new AA better representation. As it is US is treated like a second class citizen in 141 which is largely UA. I know 700 insists nothing will change but it makes little sense to have some of M&R in 142 and some of ramp in 141, why not consolidate districts?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Go back and read Roabilly's post about the definition of endeavor, it doesnt state will, or have too.

 

[700UW]

Tim,
With the merger and alliance I think 141 should make changes to give the new AA better representation. As it is US is treated like a second class citizen in 141 which is largely UA. I know 700 insists nothing will change but it makes little sense to have some of M&R in 142 and some of ramp in 141, why not consolidate districts?

Josh

Wont happen.
 
We were all 141 back in the day and to stop the AMFA raid, we split which was voted on by the members into 141M, which was for mechanic and related.
 
When UA went AMFA, we were merged into 142, as they were the only district to have Mechanic and Related.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,With the merger and alliance I think 141 should make changes to give the new AA better representation. As it is US is treated like a second class citizen in 141 which is largely UA. I know 700 insists nothing will change but it makes little sense to have some of M&R in 142 and some of ramp in 141, why not consolidate districts?Josh

the mx wants to be separate from ramp.

 

[cltrat]

the mx wants to be separate from ramp.

reading their forum from at least the pmAA side there is no question about that

 

[737823]

Wont happen.
 
We were all 141 back in the day and to stop the AMFA raid, we split which was voted on by the members into 141M, which was for mechanic and related.
 
When UA went AMFA, we were merged into 142, as they were the only district to have Mechanic and Related.

Before 143 was dissolved did they have M&R?

Josh

 

[700UW]

This is US IAM Fleet. The former IAM NW mechanics were given their own district before they went AMFA, but yes there were in 143 before that, I believe they were in DL 149 for a small time period.

 

[roabilly]

Go back and read Roabilly's post about the definition of endeavor, it doesnt state will, or have too.

Correct,
 
The Company has “endeavored” to reach a CBA with Fleet, and the IAM has endeavored to reach a CBA with the Company! As we all know, all of this “endeavoring” has taken over three years! In essence, all endeavor means in this context is... pursued, attempted, sought to accomplish, etc. It does not mean that there are definitive timelines, and strict adherence to anything other than the RLA!
 
Under the RLA we are in Section Six until an agreement is reached, or a release is granted... it’s that simple!
 
In accordance with the Railway Labor Act, each existing collective bargaining agreement of the Individual Labor Partner (reached with American Airlines or US Airways) and/or the applicable “status quo” conditions will remain in effect.  The Association as Employee representative will endeavor to negotiate a single, combine Collective Bargaining Agreement with the goal of improving rates of pay, benefits and other terms and conditions of the Employee members of the Mechanic and Related Craft or Class at the Carrier.