2014 Fleet Service Discussion
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Tim Nelson
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They despise the IAM leaders. I can't read 700 but if he is saying that sCO likes the IAM then he needs to look at the results of the INTL election as well. Both IAH and EWR will deliver serious "Great Pain" to the incumbent officers. June is going to be a special month.737823 said:
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Here's an update to what was accomplished last week, agreed to AMR lead pay. Agreed to a wage bump and agreed to current AMR top scale in 2015, mostly loaded at the top, some language change in health care, now the scope, the company is pushing for higher flight activity to maintain fleet service. Should be an interesting week in DFW
Tim Nelson
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Wiki,wikileaks said:
the other things you told me about the wages not being even across the entire wage scale, imo, are preposterous. If the top out gets x% at top out, then the lower ends should also get it, and vice versa. It's amazing how 141 rising negotiators concede to management. The health care, although claiming to be cost-neutral language additions, i'm not buying. I haven't read it so who knows, but why change the language? Something seems wrong. I hope they aren't keeping the health care the same but adding some future date where the company can increase things. Shameful about not getting AMR wage upfront like they promised and claimed to be ready to strike if they didn't get it. What remains scary to me is that they will get eaten alive if they bring back a wage that isn't $23.30 like AMR's in 3.5 months...scary in that maybe AH's sucker bet to increase flight activity past the 56 flight threshold is meant to be a 'this for that' item in that he will give them a wage boost in return for some drop dead date in which AH gets what he wants again in raising the scope bar from 56? Waiving our scope position by waiving off better scope and grandfathering stations two negotiation sessions ago in return for another extension of a Cinderella date was a joke. This is section 6 negotiations and the negotiation environment can't possibly be better. A company making billions a year, not millions, billions, and needing the merger to be completed, in section 6.....doesn't get any better than that but these guys failed on the scope already. God help us if they actually bite on the increase just to get the wage higher.
Me thinks they will spin doctor that by saying "Well, heck, we are going right back in joint talks so pay no attention to the Cindy dates because we are hopeful of having a new contract by then." All BS of course as the Cindy dates will give AH the leverage he needs to just ride out any negotiations past the Cindy dates. These guys get hoodwinked all the time. Why? Because they put political gain ahead of the members they continue to abuse as they agree and side with AH.
Why should we have to wait until 2015 to even out with the AA guy's. They have a bankrupt contract and our guy's are shooting for less? What the hell is wrong with these guy's. They made 400 mil in the first quarter and they want us to wait another year? All bennies should go into effect the day we sign.wikileaks said:
Tim Nelson
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AMR is topped out after 9 years. You are topped out after 12 full years and only get top out pay at the beginning of the 13th year. Our negotiators have their head up their asses not addressing this. A joint contract is years away, if this disparity isn't addressed now then it won't be for many years to come.rockit2 said:
Tim Nelson
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Any time a strong member has a difference of opinion, they claim its division. Division from what is the question? From another lame ass sellout agreement? Well, hell yeah I would want to divide against that!rockit2 said:
Dividing against anti union and lame ass negotiators who put their wallet ahead of members is something NOT to be in unity with. Mike is a kumbuya sorta guy. He has all the evidence in front of him how these guys screwed our craft already but believes his boys will see the error of their ways and flip like a pancake and finally stand up against Ole AH. And to build his strawmen, he has to close his eyes and blame me, the membership and everyone else who realizes the truth.
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Demanding excellence of your elected officials is a positive, IMO.mike33 said:
AMR Lead pay is $1.50/hr., correct?wikileaks said:
I know top loading a scale has a certain- and targeted- appeal, but it's an injustice to the junior & mid-tier people.
Also, not for nothing crew chiefs at DL make $25.45 (base + override) today. Why is that not the target?
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Gentleman don't forget something. We are only one year and 4 months away from the industry averaging that is part of our current contract. If that is included in your TA to be voted on that should put us all above $24 per hour base rate. UAL will be just shy of $25 and DAL I believe will be just over $25.
Now you're also going to have to weigh in a few other factors. First if it is 10 holidays you're being offered, currently we only have 5 paid at time and a half. What other items will you have that will be better than what we have that need to be included in the overall compensation? IE: Medical and retirement compensation.
On the SCOPE part of station staffing you might want to consider what stations may remain open because of integration, AA and USair metal? I just doubt they will close stations that may have to be restaffed once there is a JCBA????? Again that agreement a few months ago between the company and the IAM told me something.
Anyway this is still all speculation until something is finished in writing for you guys to go over with a fine toothed comb.
Now you're also going to have to weigh in a few other factors. First if it is 10 holidays you're being offered, currently we only have 5 paid at time and a half. What other items will you have that will be better than what we have that need to be included in the overall compensation? IE: Medical and retirement compensation.
On the SCOPE part of station staffing you might want to consider what stations may remain open because of integration, AA and USair metal? I just doubt they will close stations that may have to be restaffed once there is a JCBA????? Again that agreement a few months ago between the company and the IAM told me something.
Anyway this is still all speculation until something is finished in writing for you guys to go over with a fine toothed comb.
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wiki.. if what youre saying is true.. then something is wrong why should US folks have to wait longer to get topped out.. while that is a concern what is more of an important concern is scope how much higher are they willing to push the envelope before saying... guess what... we are gonna outsource your city.. we got to have scope protection but we should also not have to wait til next yr for top out at AA wages... Where's the source for this info wiki?
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