2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

well here it is the 13th  wonder how the 3 days of meetings went btwn the IAM, NMB and the Donkeys

I was talking to some MX yesterday in CLT and all of the ones I talked to said that they were told that the MX contract is done but Sito refused to sign until fleet was on board. Apparently, ole AH wanted to get the MX to sign, then who knows.  If any of this is true then its fairly simple to see how a union that represents two groups can benefit all.
 
The following is my opinion and it could be wrong but, maybe the INTL is listening or doing a better job now since they not only had its first officer vote, but the opposition got thousands of votes.  Usually opposition continues to build as well.   I know many of you hate elections and despise those of us who continue to push this union, but elections really do bring in better accountability. I hope I'm right about Sito and the INTL because I would be thoroughly impressed if what I heard was true. I mean, if the MX have a deal, but they are waiting on Fleet, then that is impressive, yes?   
 
Management has always divided these two groups.  700 may disagree but from my perspective, both groups haven't ever been as solid as it appears they are today. And in CLT, they have solidarity days between both sets of members.  Even the vote yesterday, it was awesome to see the incredible solidarity as exhibited in turnout.  Isn't that what we try to push for?  That's why elections are important. Not only for accountability but it also reminds members to act. I'll give Charlie Brown and Fairbanks points for the turnout in CLT. Well done.  And don't think that management doesn't know that half of CLT turned out at the union hall.  Having such solidarity strengthens leverage in negotiations as well.
 
And to top it all off, I got to talk to Harry Callahan for a bit and CLTRat.  And I guess i'll give DF points as well. In the background, someone was busting ass making plates and keeping all of our peeps fed. I couldn't believe it, was like a machine. MF you definitely owe DF.  At any rate, it was a beautiful thing yesterday as I'm convinced that management is well aware of how active our members are.

 

[700UW]

OMG has hell frozen over? Tim actually said something positive about the IAM?

 

[cltrat]

I was talking to some MX yesterday in CLT and all of the ones I talked to said that they were told that the MX contract is done but Sito refused to sign until fleet was on board. Apparently, ole AH wanted to get the MX to sign, then who knows.  If any of this is true then its fairly simple to see how a union that represents two groups can benefit all.

Tim, i have been told that as well
 
btw  good to see you yesterday

 

[robbedagain]

that would be very positive news.   and if true  then the company obviously never expected to see a solidified IAM groups until now and it caught them off guard    

 

[700UW]

When the IAM was at TW, the ramp, M&R, CSA, RES and FAS were all IAM, the company gave everyone except CSA and RES a good deal, the other groups refused to sign until CSA and RES got a good deal, that's the benefit of strength in numbers.

 

[Tim Nelson]

OMG has hell frozen over? Tim actually said something positive about the IAM?

I've always given credit when I believe our people are being treated fairly. Who could deny that it is thoroughly impressive if MX has a deal but chooses to stay solid with fleet until we ALL have deals?  Impressive indeed!
 
As an aside, if such actions by Sito are true, then it also tells all of us that the TWU is solidly behind the IAM.  Sito could NOT stand against management if the TWU wasn't standing behind Sito in the background. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

that would be very positive news.   and if true  then the company obviously never expected to see a solidified IAM groups until now and it caught them off guard    

I think it is true.  Every MX I talked to said they were waiting on fleet.  Obviously their leaders told them that. With that being the case, I feel good about solidarity along those lines and confident about the TWU standing with, otherwise Sito wouldn't have the power to hold his position of leverage against Ole AH.  I'm cautious until I see but with solidarity, we can change the paradigm created by the CEO's of this industry, and reverse the current beat down by management on airline people.

 

[mike33]

lets not forget its 3 groups. Although small the mx trainers are involved also. As I said before. It's all 3 or none!!!

 

[roabilly]

I've always given credit when I believe our people are being treated fairly. Who could deny that it is thoroughly impressive if MX has a deal but chooses to stay solid with fleet until we ALL have deals?  Impressive indeed!
 
As an aside, if such actions by Sito are true, then it also tells all of us that the TWU is solidly behind the IAM.  Sito could NOT stand against management if the TWU wasn't standing behind Sito in the background. 

My question to you is this, will you continue to campaign on half truths, spun facts, personal attacks, and waves of dissention? The turnout in CLT had a lot to do with YOU and your shady antics! Everyone knows what a U4C ticket does to US representation balances in the grand scheme of things, and they made sure they voted accordingly to prevent that travesty!
 
If... and when, the UFC finally loses; do you intend to continue blaming all of the contractual lost ground from the Bankruptcies on the Leadership? Will you continue to call me (and others) Drunks, Liars, Morons, Kool-Aid drinkers, and MF’s boys, if we do not blindly follow you? Will you continue to instill distrust, and attempt to divide the group for political gain?
 
My personal bet is that you will never change, and you will continue on the same path... defeat, after defeat!

 

[mike33]

Hey Tim. Pollyanna here. Let me know when I can come out from under this rock will you?

What happened to the June 6 force down our throats single carrier status?

Aue Na ho'i ei' ( good grief )

 

[roabilly]

Hey Tim. Pollyanna here. Let me know when I can come out from under this rock will you?

What happened to the June 6 force down our throats single carrier status?

Aue Na ho'i ei' ( good grief )

It went into the same file as the "Term sheet"... you know the file I speak of... the bullshit for votes file!

 

[mike33]

Politics "Suck " ROA!! It is one of the few avenues of this society where you can frustrate the voter with deception and then praise the opponent for a job well done.

Experiencing " Great Pain " right now!

 

[roabilly]

Politics "Suck " ROA!! It is one of the few avenues of this society where you can frustrate the voter with deception and then praise the opponent for a job well done

I agree... I guess that's why I never ran for Office!

 

[mike33]

Lots of voting left!

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Tim. Pollyanna here. Let me know when I can come out from under this rock will you?

What happened to the June 6 force down our throats single carrier status?

Aue Na ho'i ei' ( good grief )

Actually I have to take a little responsibility on this one guys. From the way I read it the language seemed pretty cut and dry that a filing needed to occur by the 6 month date.

Don't know what the ramifications might be for skipping it or if some behind the scenes deal was made though?