2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

You might win a few spots on the UA side, I doubt any of you get in on the US side.
 
So why dont you post how DL141R and U4C are doing head to head at the US spots?
 
Bottom line is she failed as RS to ensure there would be a smooth election, guess you cant devote the time to do her job as RS when you are out campaigning all the time.
 
And you lost at every US hub?
 
Hope you and others didnt pull a Karen.

 

[WeAAsles]

700, half our ticket is up by about 100.  Half of it is down.  Hopefully, the U4C wins outright and the violations didn't cause any harm.

Again if Tim's team wins then no members and their voting rights were harmed.

He DOES NOT care about the members or an honest democratic process.

 

[700UW]

Again if Tim's team wins then no members and their voting rights were harmed.

He DOES NOT care about the members or an honest democratic process.

It has always been about Tim and his quest for power, yet he hasnt achieved it in over 20 years.
 
Notice he still cant admit Tracy Russo, a candidate on his slate failed as RS of 1725 to ensure there were enough ballots?
 
Its not what is best for the members, its whats best for his ego.

 

[cltrat]

so if Tracey could not be involved because she was running how is it she was responsible for the ballots?
 
I have no ideal about the legality of the whole thing but it reeks of a lack of professionalism.
 
again voting should be online let's at least try to get the cronyism and shadiness out of it.

 

[700UW]

so if Tracey could not be involved because she was running how is it she was responsible for the ballots?
 
I have no ideal about the legality of the whole thing but it reeks of a lack of professionalism.
 
again voting should be online let's at least try to get the cronyism and shadiness out of it.

As RS she received the ballots from the District, she knew only 600 were sent as they are numbered.
 
She then sent out 100 ballots to the absentee requests, leaving 500 ballots for 900 members who were to vote in person.
 
She didnt run the election on the day it was held, but set it up and knew how many ballots were received from the District.
 
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know 500 ballots would not be enough for 900 people when a high turnout was expected.

Like I said, it was her and Dave's responsibility.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I have no idea about the legality of the whole thing but it reeks of a lack of professionalism.
 
again voting should be online let's at least try to get the cronyism and shadiness out of it.[/quote]


I agree 100% on both of these comments. Online voting is frowned upon because then those in charge have zero control over the process. That fact is indisputable.

And any arguments against it are proven wrong by this current conversation alone.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You might win a few spots on the UA side, I doubt any of you get in on the US side.
 
So why dont you post how DL141R and U4C are doing head to head at the US spots?
 
Bottom line is she failed as RS to ensure there would be a smooth election, guess you cant devote the time to do her job as RS when you are out campaigning all the time.
 
And you lost at every US hub?
 
Hope you and others didnt pull a Karen.

What US AIRWAYS spots?  The two year AGC's are US AIRWAYS guys and they have a chance to win against the two United members running on two year.  But there are no "US AIRWAYS" spots per say???
I'm in the top half of the 4 year AGC's on my ballot.

 

[Tim Nelson]

As RS she received the ballots from the District, she knew only 600 were sent as they are numbered.
 
She then sent out 100 ballots to the absentee requests, leaving 500 ballots for 900 members who were to vote in person.
 
She didnt run the election on the day it was held, but set it up and knew how many ballots were received from the District.
 
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know 500 ballots would not be enough for 900 people when a high turnout was expected.
Like I said, it was her and Dave's responsibility.

The DOL will ask your boy why he effed up CLT.  The DOL will also ask what the hell was going on with makeshift ballots.  The DOL will further ask who the dimwits were who took the scissors and chopped the names off of the ballots.  Morons!   Atkinson is charged with providing sufficient number of ballots by the district bylaws. Period.  He F up everything and CLT may be tossed out altogether.  If a DOL case is filed. Sorry.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It has always been about Tim and his quest for power, yet he hasnt achieved it in over 20 years.
 
Notice he still cant admit Tracy Russo, a candidate on his slate failed as RS of 1725 to ensure there were enough ballots?
 
Its not what is best for the members, its whats best for his ego.

Show me in bylaws where it is her responsibility? I know your little brain is on overload with bull shitt and can't comprehend bylaw or federal law interpretation but here is the actual bylaw that shows how Atkinson F everything up in CLT.  Also, if you have any bylaw or law that references you running at the lip that somehow it was someone elses responsibility then please cite it.  Otherwise, having your typical Barbie tantrum isn't going to get you any points.
 
( B) All ballots shall bear the seal of the District Lodge and be so arranged that a voter may with ease designate his choice by marking (X) opposite names of those for whom he wishes to record his vote.
(c) The District Secretary-Treasurer shall supply all Local Lodges with a sufficient number of ballots (without charge and no other ballots are to be used) to enable each District Lodge No. 141 member in good standing to cast a vote.
 
Key words, "Sufficient number of ballots"   "No other ballots should be used".  Sorry 700 but the DOL takes ballots very seriously.  They F up the CLT vote and have themselves to blame. Sorry.  You can draw as many ballots up in the sand like Tommy Reagon wants but it isn't going to satisfy the law.  Especially when the dipshits take scissors and cut off the names.  But hey, they did it blind so it was still secret, right? LMAO
 
And one last thing,  Atkinson ruled 'by the book' during nominations and tossed out every station that had the slightest technicality that U4C won.  We will hold him to the same rule in this election. If he balks, then we will ask the DOL to make the ruling instead. Sorry
 
-1  for 700
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sorry, I haven't much time but instead of doing a video, I'll give this update.
Last week saw the U4C close the gap and then take a lead. Here's the deal. Half our ticket is up, some by as much as 100 votes. Half of our ticket is down, some by as many as 100 votes. There are only 6 stations left.
To Uunifedforchange supporters: I hope all the U4C supporters show up. Please vote straight ticket for us. It's very important!!!
To 141 rising supporters: if there are any of you who are voting 141 rising but may not like Joe Bartz, or may not like at least one person on that team, then please, at least, vote for Tracy Russo over Joe Bartz since Joe is the lowest vote getter on the 141 rising slate. I say tracy because she is our high vote getter and Joe Bartz is the low vote getter on their team.

 

[ograc]

<Tim. You stated earlier the District was not releasing official numbers concerning election results so far. If this is the case, and I believe it is, how could you proclaim that you are in the top 50% of the 4 year AGC spots and that the other US candidates for 2 year AGC on the U4C slate are ahead? Might want to insert a disclaimer that this is based on your estimates. Do you intend to file charges of protest, concerning the election procedure if U4C candidates win in the election? 

 

[Tim Nelson]

<Tim. You stated earlier the District was not releasing official numbers concerning election results so far. If this is the case, and I believe it is, how could you proclaim that you are in the top 50% of the 4 year AGC spots and that the other US candidates for 2 year AGC on the U4C slate are ahead? Might want to insert a disclaimer that this is based on your estimates. Do you intend to file charges of protest, concerning the election procedure if U4C candidates win in the election? 

What was understood was that I was talking about my slate, i.e., I was in the top half of the 4 year candidates on my slate, in reference to a question to me.  The district hasn't given out the officials, but that doesn't mean that we didn't attain some official numbers.  For instance, Coffman is winning by over 100.  We do have candidates losing by over 100.   The difference may be in the ease of voting for one single VP as opposed to 12 AGC's. 
 
At any rate, stop quote mining me.  I never said the two US AIRWAYS candidates are ahead. I said they have a chance to win.  Time will tell.

 

[mike33]

Not exaggerating. If I have to, I'll actually post the whole legal document here. For those who are interested in such things, it will provide interesting discussion.

Yeah right...!!  like the TN Term Sheet and the Estimated Tally the 2nd week...Notice i said Estimated! That won't let you off the hook......   

 

[mike33]

Yes MX are pissed and it will probably be voted down from my sources.
 
AMFA mess is at AA, US mechanics are not interested.

I agree 700...AMFA is  spinning its wheels and will spend $$ but US guys are not interested

 

[mike33]

700, I'm very sorry for your pain hearing that there will be an appeal and that we will have our 3rd DOL supervised election over 5 years if U4C loses.  But until you backward goofs can figure out how to run an election, we will continue doing 'redos'.  The rights of members are much more important than you or anyone else's personal ambitions. Sorry.

How about the rights of member to hear the truths from candidates.....you are a piece of work.