2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Yea that's it. Screw the unborn why don't you!

You're a real stand up union man with that type of comment.

What are you talking about?  I asked a legit question about what the company may do since it can.  With grandfather plans under ACA, wouldn't it benefit the company further with reduced cost to abolish the plans and offer the new plan as Tommy allowed them to?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Our members should be briefed on the differences between grandfathered plans and new plans and how each could affect them as the union wants to plunge us into this thing with a blank check.

 

[737823]

Funny Joshie asks me a question and Tim answers himself, oops I mean Joshie.

You really think I am Tim?

Josh

 

[700UW]

What are you talking about?  I asked a legit question about what the company may do since it can.  With grandfather plans under ACA, wouldn't it benefit the company further with reduced cost to abolish the plans and offer the new plan as Tommy allowed them to?

Tommy allowed them too?

Tommy doesnt vote on your TA, that would be you and your fellow ramp brothers and sisters at US.
 
Why dont you ask Tommy, he will answer you, and I know you have his contact information.

 

[737823]

The IAM uses DOH into the classification, that is what is in the SIL agreement with the TWU.
 
I have been through three mergers as an IAM represented employee at US and never lost a day's seniority.
 
Your issue deals back to the fence agreement when the ramp went union and above wing didnt.

TWA employees can't say the same.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

A serious question, from the company standpoint, if it abolishes the 3 plans and offers a new plan, are there any more freedoms for the company with a "New Plan"  than having a current plan grandfathered?

 
ACA aside, and not for nothing, but going down to one plan may represent a large $$$ windfall for the company. Has the NC mentioned where that difference in cost would go should that come to pass?

 

[700UW]

TWA employees can't say the same.

Josh

Is this about TWA?
 
And how many times are you going to lie about this?
 
You know damn well the TWU and the APFA both reneged on their deals, the TWU went to arbitration and the APFA stapled and the IAM spent over $5 million fighting for the flight attendants that they didnt even represent anymore.

So if anyone is to blame its the TWU and the APFA and the stand they both took.
 
But you are nothing more than a POS, so go back to your bridge.

 

[737823]

Is this about TWA?
 
And how many times are you going to lie about this?
 
You know damn well the TWU and the APFA both reneged on their deals, the TWU went to arbitration and the APFA stapled and the IAM spent over $5 million fighting for the flight attendants that they didnt even represent anymore.

So if anyone is to blame its the TWU and the APFA and the stand they both took.
 
But you are nothing more than a POS, so go back to your bridge.

The scab and company union screwed them over despite the seniority agreement nit APFA or TWU.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The scab and company union screwed them over despite the seniority agreement nit APFA or TWU.

Josh

Only scab is  you.
 
You are a pathological liar.
 
The IAM and TWU went to arbitration, is that too hard for your pea sized brain to comprehend?
 
And the IAM spent over $5 million on the FAs which they didnt even represent anymore.
 
And -2 for your spelling.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tommy allowed them too?
Tommy doesnt vote on your TA, that would be you and your fellow ramp brothers and sisters at US.
 
Why dont you ask Tommy, he will answer you, and I know you have his contact information.

Tommy is the one who came up with this health care mess.  Why didn't he at least put in hard numbers like they did at United, even though the numbers blow?  Why just allow the company to have the right to terminate all 3 plans and come up with a new "SEE management for future rates"?  WTH?  C'mon maannnnn.  The contract will pass so this isn't some sorta trick question, but the health care in this new TA will absolutely blow.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You at least can admit that the new "See Management" Health care will suck, can't you? 

 

[NYer]

Yes, ACA is affecting healthcare.  And I also know what I have right now and can keep unless I give it away.  Do you not understand that the company is under my current contract, regardless of ACA?  I'm willing to trade off but not with a blank check and with little return.  THe company needs this, so I can't blame them for hoodwinking Tommy over a wage bump.
 
My health is fine, but this will be catastrophe for someone who has serious and ongoing health issues.  Who knows, maybe the new health care plan has a $1 million lifetime cap.  Tommy should have at least negotiated perimeters as they did at United where the cost were alive and real, bad but real, instead of punting the entire damn thing to management.  WTH?

There are no lifetime limits because of the ACA.

Next fire?

 

[robbedagain]

Tim did you ever stop to think about the affects of the Obama Care that could be a factor in this  if this is in fact true?  Secondly, I personally cant see the new company with as many employees as we have at the combined air carrier getting rid of the current plans   That could seriously cause more trouble than the company wants  

 

[mike33]

Our members should be briefed on the differences between grandfathered plans and new plans and how each could affect them as the union wants to plunge us into this thing with a blank check.

Don't you think that the company would much rather have the same plans thru-out the whole company?.....Why so skeptical?

 

[NYer]

If this TA passes, which it will, addressing health care would have to come at a concession to something else since LUS health care will become the absolute worst in the industry.  So bad, that there aren't even any numbers until management decides if it will abolish all the plans or not.  And the whole, 'ACA thing'  is a strawman since the company has to abide by our contract unless we cough up our health care.  Not even any negotiated rates, premiums, contributions, caps, NO NOTHING.  Gents, welcome to the age of blank checks, freely given to management by your negotiating committee.  God help any of us if we develop or have a chronic condition and our health care has a high deductable....because management says so.  WTF?

The ACA is something that is affecting healthcare for multi-employer plans and will undoubtedly raise the costs of those plans. That's inevitable. To suggest or infer that negotiations will somehow be the cause of those costs is just plain ignorant.

It is an issue that needs to be addressed, not ignored.