2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

I read it, but show me where the process necessarily includes the union for final resolution?  This thing will go to a 3rd party quicker than a heart attack and you know it.   This is clearly a "See Management' Health care.  Show me otherwise with language. Otherwise go sell some real estate but don't con any more members.

OK. Under definition an arbitration process includes both parties as part of the final resolution. It can't be this to refute your nonsense.

 

[WeAAsles]

Any part timer voting for this will be told by 700 that you deserve this after the TA passes.  Unless part timers love being pounded with the current bankrupt agreement, this TA doesn't do D*ck for them.  They and their issues were excluded.  I have no idea how many part timers were on the negotiations but I know there were about 12 negotiatinc committee members.  My hunch is that none of them were part time.

As for PTers of course the TA affects them positively.  #1 there is increases to their base wages if they have not yet reached top out. Those increases will absolutely provide some relief. #2 is the scope changes. Those changes provide more security for continued employment and due to being able to work AA metal in certain stations may provide some upgrades to Full Time status. And with those upgrades they will be getting the FT rate on medical.

Yes I agree with you that the PTers subsidising the medical rate for FT is wrong but let's be realistic here. If changes had been made to provide relief at a rising in costs for yourself you would have been railing against the moon over it.

You're the same guy who just said a few days ago how you didn't want to have to subsidise for all the "LAZY" people under the ACA aren't you. What's the difference huh?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Everyone
Again. The letter only applies to a plan that reaches " Cadillac status " which is set right now at 27,500 per year. If the plan doesn't reach that amount then the company can do nothing to the plan. And for any plan that may reach Cadillac status, there are many things that would have to happen before the company could just abandon the plan. Tim ask the question can we tell him how much his insurance is going to be in 2018? No we can't. Just like nobody has been able to tell us how much our insurance was gonna be the last several years. We negotiate the percentage that we pay. Not the amount. The percentages remain the same.

what a crock of shitt. There are no negotiations in that letter after the company blows you guys off after 90 days. And the union is x'ed out once i hits the arbitrator. And its not like the arbitrator decides to rule in the union or company favor. The arbitrator has strict scope to decide on any modifications to fit the plan under the aca sack. And if that cant be guarnteed then we arent even talking about modifications but complete abolishments of plans.

And please tell us again where the union is in this process? Kindly quote the language as im tired of your bull shitt.Language only please. Thanks in advance.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim your argument against possible healthcare costs holds no water against the base rate you will likely be at in the year any changes could wind up taking affect. As I've already pointed out if the CBA stands as is you will be seeing at least a $720.00 per month increase from where you are now in the year 2017. That's an absolute looking at the snapshot today.

Now let's talk about the possibilities under a JCBA scenario. We know that the top base rate currently will be UAL in 2016. That's 2 years earlier from when the possible changes could take affect. There rate will be $26.64 per hour. "Assuming" at the very least we are at that rate by 2018, 2 years later than the amendable date for UAL. That will make the grand total from where you are now $960.00 per month more.

Let me ask you Tim. Do you or does ANYONE actually believe that you will be paying over $960.00 per month more for medical than you are paying today????

Let's try to bring our thoughts back down to reality shall we Tim?
 

Sorry WeAAsles, step progressions are already something we get. Nothing negotiated there. In fact, they completely effed us over by agreeing with the company not to bother negotiating a lower progression.  Maybe you would feel different if you had to wait 13 years to be topped out.  And one doesn't have to have a union to get 2% pay increases each year, but this union keeps us hungry so management folks like you act like a simple wage increase is something of an accomplishment.   And I guess I missed the part where I was suppose to thank the negotiating team by saying "Gee thanks for F'in over the part timers one more time".   Good Grief Charlie Brown! 
 
Hey, this contract is passing so I'll get used to being in the same spot that Charlie brown is, i.e., full timer who is topped out and more than 25 years.  I can use the extra $2.50 a hour and I know what to do with the extra vacation.  But I'll have to thank those that Charlie Hammered for pushing my back fender towards the finish line in  better shape than them.  

 

[700UW]

what a crock of shitt. There are no negotiations in that letter after the company blows you guys off after 90 days. And the union is x'ed out once i hits the arbitrator. And its not like the arbitrator decides to rule in the union or company favor. The arbitrator has strict scope to decide on any modifications to fit the plan under the aca sack. And if that cant be guarnteed then we arent even talking about modifications but complete abolishments of plans.

And please tell us again where the union is in this process? Kindly quote the language as im tired of your bull shitt.Language only please. Thanks in advance.

So you were in negotiations and know the IAM's and company's intent?
 
Where did you get your law degree in Collective Bargaining?
 
No wonder why you will never get elected to an AGC, your farce, an angry little man who has failed for over 20 years to get power that you desire so bad.
 
Must suck to be you.
 
Your rants, insults and attacks shows you have zero character and integrity, when you are shown to be wrong you resort to lies and personal attack.

This is who you are:
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry WeAAsles, step progressions are already something we get. Nothing negotiated there. In fact, they completely effed us over by agreeing with the company not to bother negotiating a lower progression.  Maybe you would feel different if you had to wait 13 years to be topped out.  And one doesn't have to have a union to get 2% pay increases each year, but this union keeps us hungry so management folks like you act like a simple wage increase is something of an accomplishment.   And I guess I missed the part where I was suppose to thank the negotiating team by saying "Gee thanks for F'in over the part timers one more time".   Good Grief Charlie Brown! 
 
Hey, this contract is passing so I'll get used to being in the same spot that Charlie brown is, i.e., full timer who is topped out and more than 25 years.  I can use the extra $2.50 a hour and I know what to do with the extra vacation.  But I'll have to thank those that Charlie Hammered for pushing my back fender towards the finish line in  better shape than them.

Give me a break. There is something seriously wrong with you. WOW. What egg did you hatch out of?????

Medicate Tim. Medicate.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Give me a break. There is something seriously wrong with you. WOW. What egg did you hatch out of?????

Medicate Tim. Medicate.

I guess there is something wrong as I was expecting a real section 6 contract where the negotiating committee said they would take care of the pension, keep health care the way it is, not negotiate fence agreements [hell, they bypassed that and negotiated cross utilization which ole AH I'm sure fell off his chair about.]    This will screw you over more then us though since your bankrupt contract is in SORE need of a joint agreement.  I'm trying to think logically exactly why the company would need a joint agreement since it already got our health care 'in the bag' and paid a very cheap price for cross utilization anywhere it can float a TWU member over to do our work.  Let me pick your brain on that one, if you are the company, exactly why bother with joint talks now?  OTOH,  small stations at US AIRWAYS most likely would want to close their eyes and wish a joint contract away and I wouldn't blame them.

 

[charlie Brown]

what a crock of shitt. There are no negotiations in that letter after the company blows you guys off after 90 days. And the union is x'ed out once i hits the arbitrator. And its not like the arbitrator decides to rule in the union or company favor. The arbitrator has strict scope to decide on any modifications to fit the plan under the aca sack. And if that cant be guarnteed then we arent even talking about modifications but complete abolishments of plans.
And please tell us again where the union is in this process? Kindly quote the language as im tired of your bull shitt.Language only please. Thanks in advance.

Now now Tim
Such language from a theology major on a Sunday. And since when have I ever gave a crap that your getting tired of my Bull ****? Good! I'm glad you are!
The common educated person on here can understand that only if a plan goes above 27,500 can the company even act. If a plan does, then the union gets to act to see if we can make any adjustments to the plan to get it below the 27,500. That means 26,499 or below since your having trouble understanding it. If the adjustments can be made, the company can't blow us off like you seem to think. Even if they did, then the union could just present the adjustments to the arbitrator. Like I said before. This is really a cover your ass letter for both sides. But you go ahead and spin it, like I said, most people have no problem understanding it.

 

[T5towbar]

Like I said before, anytime the insurance companies who helped craft the law (for their own benefit) it wasn't about the consumer. These insurance companies have the game so rigged, they can't lose! They get paid in every situation. You can only blame the President (and a weak CONgress) for passing this. I can't say for sure it is a bad law, but I know that many more people have insurance, and at least it will be somewhat affordable if you lose your job and can't afford COBRA.

Only time will tell what the affect will be. My insurance went up a few bucks, but I have more coverage and a better plan.

P.S.: There is no such thing as a "Quick Turn".
Provide the proper amount of staffing if you want the plane out ontime. I'll keep taking hits on flights till they get the message.

 

[700UW]

Dont waste your time with him.

He knows it all, he is the master of everything when it comes to Collective Bargaining, he is a legend in his own mind.
 
He is just a bitter little man.
 
Maybe he needs a trip to IAH again to find a "date".

 

[Tim Nelson]

Now now Tim
Such language from a theology major on a Sunday. And since when have I ever gave a crap that your getting tired of my Bull ####? Good! I'm glad you are!
The common educated person on here can understand that only if a plan goes above 27,500 can the company even act. If a plan does, then the union gets to act to see if we can make any adjustments to the plan to get it below the 27,500. That means 26,499 or below since your having trouble understanding it. If the adjustments can be made, the company can't blow us off like you seem to think. Even if they did, then the union could just present the adjustments to the arbitrator. Like I said before. This is really a cover your ass letter for both sides. But you go ahead and spin it, like I said, most people have no problem understanding it.

It certainly isn't about me or my education, it's about my health care.  Again, enough of the chatter.  Show me in the letter where the union has any rights after the 90 days?  Language only, not the BS.
 
Due to that letter, you cant' even tell me that my plan won't be abolished.  Cripes, you can't even tell me what my deductible is going to be.  Shoe me in the letter where this has to be negotiated after the 90 days? And show me where the arbitrator's scope is more than trying to fit 10 lbs of potatoes in a 5 lb sack? The arbitrator is even charged with guaranteeing that the modifications will be under the tax bar. The reality of the situation is that our health care was simply too good and presented a real and future risk to the company. You need to be honest with folks and not present scenerios where this protects the members when in fact this protects the company. You do realize that the current agreement doesn't place the extra burden of Obama on the members, but on the company?  We didn't have to give this up unless we wanted a new contract....which we did.  But you guys gave this up for nothing and dress this concession up like a christmas tree.  The problem is that you are a liar and presenting that letter as a benefit or some morph of a protector when in reality it protects the company from increased cost.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Now now Tim
Such language from a theology major on a Sunday. And since when have I ever gave a crap that your getting tired of my Bull ####? Good! I'm glad you are!
The common educated person on here can understand that only if a plan goes above 27,500 can the company even act. If a plan does, then the union gets to act to see if we can make any adjustments to the plan to get it below the 27,500. That means 26,499 or below since your having trouble understanding it. If the adjustments can be made, the company can't blow us off like you seem to think. Even if they did, then the union could just present the adjustments to the arbitrator. Like I said before. This is really a cover your ass letter for both sides. But you go ahead and spin it, like I said, most people have no problem understanding it.

Can you let us know the mindset of the negotiating committee as they decided to side with management that part time still should pay twice for medical and get about half a pension contribution?  How many negotiators were there, 12?  My bet is not one of them was part time.  Good Grief Charlie Brown!    What's your answer to your CLT part timers, "Get 'm next time?"

 

[Tim Nelson]

Dont waste your time with him.
He knows it all, he is the master of everything when it comes to Collective Bargaining, he is a legend in his own mind.
 
He is just a bitter little man.
 
Maybe he needs a trip to IAH again to find a "date".

Why do you guys always make an opposing view personal?  If you can stay objective, please tell me, what my deductible is going to be or if my plan is going to be abolished?  I've asked Charlie Brown some serious questions but he goes personal and blames my education then tells me that my plan is going to be fine and that the union will 'fix' it.    I asked him to show me in the letter where the union has any negotiating power after the 90 days and so far he hasn't responded.  Can you show me in the letter, after 90 days where the union has any negotiation power? Members want to know.

 

[charlie Brown]

It certainly isn't about me or my education, it's about my health care.  Again, enough of the chatter.  Show me in the letter where the union has any rights after the 90 days?  Language only, not the BS.
 
Due to that letter, you cant' even tell me that my plan won't be abolished.  Cripes, you can't even tell me what my deductible is going to be.  Shoe me in the letter where this has to be negotiated after the 90 days? And show me where the arbitrator's scope is more than trying to fit 10 lbs of potatoes in a 5 lb sack? The arbitrator is even charged with guaranteeing that the modifications will be under the tax bar. The reality of the situation is that our health care was simply too good and presented a real and future risk to the company. You need to be honest with folks and not present scenerios where this protects the members when in fact this protects the company. You do realize that the current agreement doesn't place the extra burden of Obama on the members, but on the company?  We didn't have to give this up unless we wanted a new contract....which we did.  But you guys gave this up for nothing and dress this concession up like a christmas tree.  The problem is that you are a liar and presenting that letter as a benefit or some morph of a protector when in reality it protects the company from increased cost.

Now I'm a Liar? Should I take that as a compliment coming from you since you wrote the book on it. Let's let everyone else decide who the liar is ok. We have the right during the 90 days to suggest any adjustments that we feel would work. If it brings the cost down Tim, then the company has no choice in the matter. Don't understand why your hung up on the 90 days. We either will be able to make adjustments, or we won't. It won't take 90 days to determine it. And yes the company could have passed this tax on to us. That's exactly what their intentions were.

 

[700UW]

Are you blind or just plain stupid?
 
You make up lies about P.Rez, Charlie Brown, ROABILLY, myself and many others.
 
If you can dish it out, you better be able to take it, but you cant little man with thin skin.
 
How does it feel to lose every election at the District and Grand Lodge office that you ran for?
 
I mean after 20 years of three failed unions you tried to start and several losses in elections, you would learn, your chest thumping insults and attacks dont work.