2014 Fleet Service Discussion
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Kev3188
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I honestly think that's great- and good on P. Rez & co. for getting out there- but has that gotten AH & DP to take notice?
I get the impression that they're content to let the IAM membership twist in the wind, with the idea that they can play them like puppets when it's convenient. It's not a bad assumption, given the actions of various NC's over the last few years. My question is what's occurring to prove it wrong?
I get the impression that they're content to let the IAM membership twist in the wind, with the idea that they can play them like puppets when it's convenient. It's not a bad assumption, given the actions of various NC's over the last few years. My question is what's occurring to prove it wrong?
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Kev,Kev3188 said:
I agree with all you points. The infomational picketing is good. AH & DP I'm sure have noticed but it hasn't changed their agenda in negotiations. Why? Because the traveling public couldn't care less what our plight is. Matter of fact; many feel we are fairly compensated for what we do and would support concessionary CBAs if it meant cheaper fares. US and UA have played the membership in the past like a deck of cards and feel confident they can do so in the future. Nothing substantial is occuring to prove them wrong and put them back on their heels. I believe the NC would like to change this course. I believe the NC is about as fed up with the disrespect as anyone. Hopefully, the International Leadership and the District leadership has learned from the mistakes at UA. Hopefully, they will support the NC and the membership and allow them to drop the gloves. Of course the NMB must release before any of this can happen. I get the feeling; if it does there is a huge can of "whoop ass" that is going to rain down on this company. This union should be tired of being disrespected. I know the members are! In the meantime we wait. In the meantime...
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and what does bluto/dave meeting you in mia have to do with fleet service at usairways????????????
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I'm pretty sure he will have most of the support in ORD but that's just my station. The strong feeling at my airline is that we were betrayed and want change. Tim's personality has some bad traits but I'm not voting to be his friend. But he is knowledgeable, educated, and is a critical thinker. I know that none of our current leaders are as capable. I haven't read everything on this forum but it does look like Tim is right and that your leaders have demanded way too much and will now have to go on strike. Tim brings up excellent points but Tim's arrogant style looks like it is pushing his own coworkers over the cliff with the current leaders. I wish you guys the best, but personally I think if you go on strike that you will be replaced immediately.roabilly said:
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Which time is Tim right? A couple of months ago he was saying that we had all kinds of leverage and the only way we could screw it up was to panic and settle without everything we were asking for because the things we were asking for were fair. He also stated that we weren't asking for enough in his opinion. Now, fast forward to his recent position on negotiations. He states we are screwing up because we are asking for too much and we are going to end up with nothing. So, which Tim is right? He flip flops so much I'm confused.
Now, this is the first time we have been in section 6 talks since 1999 and probably won't be in section 6 talks for at least 7 to 9 years and I'm sure those talks will last 2 to 4 years minimum. If we were to cave now and except the BS offer from the Company we would be accepting a concessionary agreement and waiting for 2 to 4 years for a Joint Agreement. If we cave now how would we expect the Company to not push us around in joint talks. Section 6 equals teeth, joint talks no teeth.
At some point somebody in this industry is going to have to stand up and strike for what is right. Mergers, bankruptcies and joint talks instead of section 6 talks have decimated this craft and you want to blame the Union? I blame mergers and bankruptcies and greedy CEO's. We as Union leaders need to do more research and for once it would be nice to see our Union on the same page and not divided. Since the AW merger with US I have only seen division and it all comes back to one guy, Tim. I'm sure the Company loves it. I've told Tim in the past to bury the hatchet and use his knowledge to help everyone. I'm calling it as I see it, take it for whatever it's worth.
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prez i agree with you.. now is definitely not the divide and conquer time its time to be united as one and tell them donkeys fair sect 6 deal now or else.
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After watching Tim's dismal failure at trying to influence the UAL vote to be rejected. I have to say that it may be you guys who are giving Tim too much credit in being able to be effective at causing division. My bet would be much like the unsuccessful IBT raid and the 7 write in votes for AMFA, Tim's personal campaign will probably share a similar fate. That doesn't mean he should be ignored but at the same time he's also probably getting more attention than needed?P. REZ said:
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Other People...WeAAsles said:
We can't help if you guys can't read. It wasn't even my TA and i read it. I guess the Money talked and the reality walked....Well there is no money here so far so AH and DP can take a hike. Sec6 is where its at and just one hub strikes and the airline is crippled......Just the thought of booking away gets me going....and to be replaced immediately ?.....not a chance. With planes out of seq and crews scattered and out of time? 2 days at the most it would last..... Don't forget they would also have to lock out all of Fleet Service at the same time. Ain"t gonna happen !!!!!!
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Excuse me Sir,Kev3188 said:
I have contributed more positive information and research history here into this forum than most. Exactly who are you anyway? Do you work for US? Are you Fleet in another company?
All I've ever seen you write, is the IAM should do more to boost solidarity, etc. I have never seen you contribute anything of substance, other than short sarcastic quips! If you want my respect... you will have to EARN it.
Further, where have you been over the last two months with your moral guidance?
Tim Nelson has been calling everyone in this forum that doesn't agree with him,” Morons, Liars, Drunks, Bong-Hitters, Kool-aid Drinkers, P-Asses, and Paid Trolls"!
Not a peep from you then...
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