2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

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[mike33]

I would consider that to be a slap in the face given that youre in that station that was outsourced  or whatever the case be  then go back at 0 everything  and wait out for jcba  which will take God knows how long  esp when dealing with the donkeys running the airline

Robbed....It's a way to beat the system. If sUS was to get the vending in some stations as an example, they would probably hire from the street for the openings. Then with a full compliment of people they may never get back. It is what it is....  
 
  Trust me...i did it knowing that during JCBA i got my sen and pay back....

 

[WeAAsles]

Robbed....It's a way to beat the system. If sUS was to get the vending in some stations as an example, they would probably hire from the street for the openings. Then with a full compliment of people they may never get back. It is what it is....  
 
  Trust me...i did it knowing that during JCBA i got my sen and pay back....

Again though Mike, let's wait until all the details come out and then hopefully there will be explanations behind it and some of us who are better versed on the issues can also explain it further if need be. 

 

[mike33]

Again though Mike, let's wait until all the details come out and then hopefully there will be explanations behind it and some of us who are better versed on the issues can also explain it further if need be. 

Agreed... every station will have a different scenario if this comes about 

 

[robbedagain]

thanks mike  I did not look at it from that perspective     just wait n see what details come out  

 

[WeAAsles]

thanks mike  I did not look at it from that perspective     just wait n see what details come out  

And Robbed. In the end everyone should have a chance to make their own personal choice for what's best for them? We can agree or disagree with whatever the agreement is but at the end of the day we only walk in our own shoes. And any agreement is still better than no agreement at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

Robbed....It's a way to beat the system. If sUS was to get the vending in some stations as an example, they would probably hire from the street for the openings. Then with a full compliment of people they may never get back. It is what it is....  
 
  Trust me...i did it knowing that during JCBA i got my sen and pay back....

Again a "personal" choice that you made that maybe others chose not to make. I hope that it was a good choice for you Mike.

 

[robbedagain]

agree with you weaasles      I guess bec of the way I read it   if true  in my own opin  it is sort of a slap in the face if you will w nothing and then getting it back in jcba  but I was kind of lookin at it  this way..   in your old station again but with nothing until jcba which can take yrs   you know what I mean bro

 

[WeAAsles]

agree with you weaasles      I guess bec of the way I read it   if true  in my own opin  it is sort of a slap in the face if you will w nothing and then getting it back in jcba  but I was kind of lookin at it  this way..   in your old station again but with nothing until jcba which can take yrs   you know what I mean bro

Some people may have taken layoff and are now at the point of desperation if unemployment has run out and job prospects are bad. Others may have family obligations that are putting an incredible strain on them with commuting? No one is going to be forced into making a decision whatever that may be, but I personally like the idea that at least they may have a decision to make soon. 

 

[T5towbar]

TWU communications from the International updated their members in Local 501 a couple days ago regarding sAA fleet service clerks with the following statement, This suggest that a helping hands agreement is close.
 
"As for our displaced workers from EWR, PHL, and BDL I have been informed that our International is in the final stages of an agreement that will provide an opportunity for our members to return to their home stations.

I hope this will be resolved in a way that a split ops station like EWR, those AA people can come back home. (BTW: how will that be settled where there is a situation like ex:AA/Vendor or US/Vendor? Is the goal is to get back the work and get rid of the vendor?

Some of the EWR guys were saying they'd been offered a *potential* return to their home station,which would involve them coming back as 'new hires' with zero seniority AND the added incentive of a $2.00 per hour pay cut.

Suffice to say no one from EWR leapt on such a tempting offer.

Keep in mind,this is only what they are telling me. I have no way of verifying the claim.

) But of course without the loss of pay or seniority, etc. I'm quite sure that EWR will be above the threshold of scope to be a station.

I've seen the vendor's work from across the ramp, and it's not that great.

Is that coming back as "US" employees?

 

[robbedagain]

I agree with you   at least it sounds like a decision by all of us could very well be upon us very soon

 

[WeAAsles]

I hope this will be resolved in a way that a split ops station like EWR, those AA people can come back home. (BTW: how will that be settled where there is a situation like ex:AA/Vendor or US/Vendor? Is the goal is to get back the work and get rid of the vendor?) But of course without the loss of pay or seniority, etc. I'm quite sure that EWR will be above the threshold of scope to be a station.

You would have to think the contract with the vendors would be broken or not renewed? It doesn't make sense to pay for two separate work-groups. Basically the cost to the vendors and your own workforce. And it's also redundant from a management standpoint. 

I've seen the vendor's work from across the ramp, and it's not that great.

Is that coming back as "US" employees?

That could be one way, yes. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

I hope this will be resolved in a way that a split ops station like EWR, those AA people can come back home. (BTW: how will that be settled where there is a situation like ex:AA/Vendor or US/Vendor? Is the goal is to get back the work and get rid of the vendor?) But of course without the loss of pay or seniority, etc. I'm quite sure that EWR will be above the threshold of scope to be a station.

I've seen the vendor's work from across the ramp, and it's not that great.

Is that coming back as "US" employees?

With a joint contract most likely 5 years away, the only option for many laid off sAA employees may very well be to come back as a new hire with minimal seniority, to get back at their home station. Management would  much rather use vendors in most cases.  There are some who say that it doesn't make sense for management, but in simplest terms, it's all about leverage leading up to a joint contract.  While it is only my opinion, it simply doesn't make 'good sense' to suggest that management will start insourcing anything other than hub work without using it as bargaining chips in joint talks this fall.  
 
Perhaps management will have a moral awakening but I've learned that they would really just want to contract out all ramps if they had their way.  DP told rampers that this isn't meant to be a career for them.  Many sAA rampers think this management team is the best, but they simply don't have the experience of dealing with this team.

 

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[WeAAsles]

With a joint contract most likely 5 years away, the only option for many laid off sAA employees may very well be to come back as a new hire with minimal seniority, to get back at their home station. Management would  much rather use vendors in most cases.  There are some who say that it doesn't make sense for management, but in simplest terms, it's all about leverage leading up to a joint contract.  While it is only my opinion, it simply doesn't make 'good sense' to suggest that management will start insourcing anything other than hub work without using it as bargaining chips in joint talks this fall.  
 
Perhaps management will have a moral awakening but I've learned that they would really just want to contract out all ramps if they had their way.  DP told rampers that this isn't meant to be a career for them.  Many sAA rampers think this management team is the best, but they simply don't have the experience of dealing with this team.

When it comes to many things I've come to the conclusion that you truly are clueless. Especially in the area of business dynamics.