2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

 
You never said it was for fleet or M&R, you stated you never address what was on the table with the NC and I refuted what you posted.
 
Josh

Are you that stupid?
 
What you copied was from the Mechanic and Related Contract Negotiations thread, not fleet.  A simple click on the post shows you that.
 
You are lying, deceitful and a fraud.
 
You are truly just a pathological liar.

 

[700UW]

 
You never said it was for fleet or M&R, you stated you never address what was on the table with the NC and I refuted what you posted.
 
Josh

You are lying again, you dont even read what you post, in your eagerness to prove me wrong you made yourself look like a fool:
 

 

700UW, on 14 Aug 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:
 

The merger isnt dead, its just reached an obstacle, and the normal Section 6 negotiations intent for the IAM is a bridge agreement on the table is about $36 an hour for a mechanic, an extra week of vacation, full sick pay no matter what you have in your bank, .40 increase in the pension which would bring the multiplier to $104 for a mechanic and a few other things.

Then head in JCBA if and when there is a merger.

 
 
 

 
 

 

[roabilly]

One last question for Tim and wikileaks before I leave...
 
Are you (two) hereby acknowledging that the information regarding alleged “leaked” information from the current Section Six Negotiations for US Fleet, is in fact provided to this PUBLIC FORUM, in full breach of any/all Confidentiality Agreements that were signed and agreed to, and legally consummated, under the auspices of a Federal Agency?
 
Do you also acknowledge that any such breach, contains severe penalties both Civil, and Federal to any party found guilty of any such breach?

 

[737823]

 

 

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How many times have YOU been told the same thing about AA and the TWU and the AMT's.?​

 
 

YOU ARE​

NOT an AA employee​

NOT an AMT​

NOT represented by the TWU​

NOT a Dues Paying member​

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I would even bet you are more of a COMPANY man than a UNION guys since the IAM at USAirways has done nothing but roll over​

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But you keep telling us here at AA how much of what we want to do is wrong and that the HOLY IAM is better than sliced bread.​

 

You are the one who need to get a life and go beat your IAM drum over at USAirways.​

 

 
Josh

 

[700UW]

Take your own advice.
 
You are not a US employee, not US Fleet Service, an IAM member not a member of DL 141.
 
So using your train of thought, stop posting and go away.

 

[737823]

Take your own advice.
 
You are not a US employee, not US Fleet Service, an IAM member not a member of DL 141.
 
So using your train of thought, stop posting and go away.

 
Not my own advice, that was AMFAinMIAMI to you.  I agreed to stay out of AA AMT topics, no plans to leave US fleet.  AMFA  in MIA is much better than you (IAM in CLT)
 
Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

One last question for Tim and wikileaks before I leave...
 
Are you (two) hereby acknowledging that the information regarding alleged “leaked” information from the current Section Six Negotiations for US Fleet, is in fact provided to this public forum, in full breach any/all Confidentiality Agreements that were signed and agreed to, and legally consummated, under the auspices of a Federal Agency?

There is nothing keeping your lying buddies from being more forthright with what is on the table. Your one boy did it previously but since they got B slapped two meetings ago and caved in on 2 of the 6 items, he has halted any info. What you need to do, is quit your Barbie tantrums about the real information that HAS been provided and open up the same reality that others who questioned Tim Nelson have discovered, i.e., that the information I provide and have always provided is accurate. And Wikileaks is a name that YOU would know, and he does know what is going on. Can I answer the language questions? No as I only heard that "Health care is basically going to be cost neutral with a few language changes".  I am uncomfortable with that as it could mean that we keep current health care but at some Cindy date in the future, there can be a management window....but I dunno so I laid off the health care question.  What I do know is that they tabled scope enhancements and just proposed  another cindy date that expires prior to ammendability, and that AH hasn't tabled scope but still wants to up the 56 flight bar.  I also know that they F us over on the AMR wages by back ended it, and actually helped lower any TWU wage enhancement.  What the membership has been clear about is not getting paid less than AMR and not having to wait till 2015 for the final installment.  WTH?  In 3 months, AMR compensation is $23.30.  That's a fact and it should be ours as well, at minimum.  What we should have done is tried to negotiate a lot more than what AMR has since these section 6 talks are about the best negotiation position any union could possibly be in.  A company making $Billions a year and your minions are only asking for us to be placed in the AMR bankrupt contract and not merge in the wage until next year?   Sorry, Roa, I realize you are retired and only banking on MF to preserve your IAMPF but most of our members have to live under this contract over the next several years. But hey, they did agree to lead pay and some extra days off! 
 
I'm tired of your rambling and a side of me wants the TA to come out right now.  Hopefully, they flipped AH's position and ole AH turned over a new leaf this week.  One thing is clear, who told everyone that when we approach June that all the "Strike",  "Release" talk would come to a halt?  Who told you Roabilly as you called me a liar?  When your boys said, "Lock and Load and that June didn't mean dick?"
 
BTW, where is your lock and load or did Fairbanks call you and orang and tell you to remove it?
 
WHere is your lock and load Roa?  Interesting that you and orgac flipped like a cheeseburger and removed that BS.  Kindly review my post months ago and tell everyone how I told the truth and that as we approach June.....a release will be goosed.  Tell the truth Roa?  Who told you, me or your lying boys?  I hate being right all the time.

 

[cltrat]

one thing about it we will perhaps see this evening or maybe tomorrow,personally I think you're closer to right than wrong and it looks like a no vote,but I'll reserve final judgment till a paper comes out

 

[700UW]

It's apparent someone doesn't understand the meaning of negotiations, it's give and take, take and give, in other words a compromise.

 

[737823]

It's apparent someone doesn't understand the meaning of negotiations, it's give and take, take and give, in other words a compromise.

 
That would be you, who was Mr. Giveaway in the 2005 bankruptcy.
 
Josh

 

[cltrat]

It's apparent someone doesn't understand the meaning of negotiations, it's give and take, take and give, in other words a compromise.

what's apparent is you're not going to be working under this contract and I really don't need your lecturing me on what I understand.
Kindly take someone else's advice and butt out. You and Josh need to go get a room or at least your on thread.

 

[roabilly]

There is nothing keeping your lying buddies from being more forthright with what is on the table. Your one boy did it previously but since they got B slapped two meetings ago and caved in on 2 of the 6 items, he has halted any info. What you need to do, is quit your Barbie tantrums about the real information that HAS been provided and open up the same reality that others who questioned Tim Nelson have discovered, i.e., that the information I provide and have always provided is accurate. And Wikileaks is a name that YOU would know, and he does know what is going on. Can I answer the language questions? No as I only heard that "Health care is basically going to be cost neutral with a few language changes".  I am uncomfortable with that as it could mean that we keep current health care but at some Cindy date in the future, there can be a management window....but I dunno so I laid off the health care question.  What I do know is that they tabled scope enhancements and just proposed  another cindy date that expires prior to ammendability, and that AH hasn't tabled scope but still wants to up the 56 flight bar.  I also know that they F us over on the AMR wages by back ended it, and actually helped lower any TWU wage enhancement.  What the membership has been clear about is not getting paid less than AMR and not having to wait till 2015 for the final installment.  WTH?  In 3 months, AMR compensation is $23.30.  That's a fact and it should be ours as well, at minimum.  What we should have done is tried to negotiate a lot more than what AMR has since these section 6 talks are about the best negotiation position any union could possibly be in.  A company making $Billions a year and your minions are only asking for us to be placed in the AMR bankrupt contract and not merge in the wage until next year?   Sorry, Roa, I realize you are retired and only banking on MF to preserve your IAMPF but most of our members have to live under this contract over the next several years. But hey, they did agree to lead pay and some extra days off! 
 
I'm tired of your rambling and a side of me wants the TA to come out right now.  Hopefully, they flipped AH's position and ole AH turned over a new leaf this week.  One thing is clear, who told everyone that when we approach June that all the "Strike",  "Release" talk would come to a halt?  Who told you Roabilly as you called me a liar?  When your boys said, "Lock and Load and that June didn't mean dick?"
 
BTW, where is your lock and load or did Fairbanks call you and orang and tell you to remove it?
 
WHere is your lock and load Roa?  Interesting that you and orgac flipped like a cheeseburger and removed that BS.  Kindly review my post months ago and tell everyone how I told the truth and that as we approach June.....a release will be goosed.  Tell the truth Roa?  Who told you, me or your lying boys?  I hate being right all the time.

Nelson,
 
Your pension argument is moot... I’m “locked in” where I exited! No matter if it’s increased, or decreased etc. -- Nothing changes for me!
 
We will see if you are right... REAL soon, about everything else!
 
As far as the “Lock –N- Load” argument... I’ll just re-post my last response to that!
 
The most ludicrous thing I’ve heard from Tim yet is that somehow MF, and team RD have sent some sort of “secret” message to the ... (ahem)... “Team Delaney” supporters to discontinue the Lock –N-Load phraseology...
 
First of ALL -- Delaney is NOT even running, so there is NO Team Delaney!
 
Second – what kind of delusional paranoid mind could conjure up bullshit like this?
 
Third - Even if it were true... how could such a secret message be transmitted?
 
Maybe by micro-film, hidden in the back of a ND08 button? ... Carrier Pigeon? ... In invisible Ink on the yellow copy of a Grievance Form?
 
Perhaps through some super secure encrypted program that transmits word arrangements through code in graphic files like JPEGS?
 
OK... I’m going to fess-up, I’m really a Secret Agent for Team Delaney. We have a super secret means of communicating... that’s what it is... a secret code transmitted in Graphic Images... below is an example; the “real” message is contained in the program code... see if you can decrypt it...
 
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[Tim Nelson]

what's apparent is you're not going to be working under this contract and I really don't need your lecturing me on what I understand.
Kindly take someone else's advice and butt out. You and Josh need to go get a room or at least your on thread.

+1
 
In negotiations, 700 and the current crop believe in 'give and take'.  Such things are not existent in negotiations, other than 'cost neutral' negotiations.  The IAM at wimpinsinger has a course on concessionary negotiations.
 
In bankruptcy, it was all about 'giving'.  Ole AH wasn't too fond of 'Give and Take".  700 got pantzed and didn't even read the language until it was too late.
 
Now, negotiations need to be about "Take".  The giving is over with.  We shouldn't have to give something up to gain scope, for instance.  These knuckleheads have had us in neutral for almost 20 years with their dopey cost neutral 'give and take' style.  Give = bankupuptcy.....Take = $Billion profits
 
700 is a nice guy but truly doesn't comprehend negotiations as most of these guys with little to no education or skill set.

 

[700UW]

Tim you are lying again as is josh, I gave you the full story, yet you both keep going on with your lies. We never reached an agreement, our CBA was abrogated.

 

[737823]

Tim you are lying again as is josh, I gave you the full story, yet you both keep going on with your lies. We never reached an agreement, our CBA was abrogated.

 
Whatever you say company boy/Mr. Giveaway. Afterall its "only" been nine years since US was in bankruptcy and this is the first section 6 since 1999 so I won't let the facts get in my way!
 
Josh