2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Again Tim. The election in June is not about contract negotiations and what has been negotiated in 6 years. It, for the most part, is about which candidates are best suited to be AGC representatives of the membership. In our case; which candidates are best suited and experienced to represent grievances on the US side. Nothing more and nothing less. Of course when your running mates come up short on this issue the focus must be changed. The focus must be shifted to contract negotiations. An area that represents the most frustration among the membership. Especially the UA members. I understand the strategy. I understand you are hoping to tap the anticipated dissention among the UA members at any cost. I'm not convinced the vote for change will produce anything regarding the direction of negotiations at US. I am convinced a vote for change will produce AGCs on the US side who have no grievance representation. Talk about getting eaten alive. I am convinced it will produce dirty politics, within the DL leadership, for the next two years, that wil be counter productive to advancing the members' best interests. Not buying it. Nor should the US membership.   

For most members, this election is about having representation that doesn't cave in to management like your boys have.  Yes, your boys have failed in negotiations and the norm is to waive all grievances indefinitely as well. 
I disagree with you 100% that an AGC is nothing more or nothing less than just handling grievances sir.  AGC's aren't suppose to endorse sorry POS agreements sir.  Obviously, you have no problem voting for AGC's who endorse POS agreements, like your boys did in 2008 and like they did at HAL and UAL.  So, the members want to know exactly why would your boys learn from the errors of their way?

 

[Tim Nelson]

cricket to Prez

 

[BLUTO]

NIELSON IZ MAD
CUZ DELNY FIRE
HIZ ASS 4 FN UP!
HE WILL NVR B
AGC CUZ DELNY
WIL FIRE HIM
AGAIN!

 

[ograc]

For most members, this election is about having representation that doesn't cave in to management like your boys have.  Yes, your boys have failed in negotiations and the norm is to waive all grievances indefinitely as well. 
I disagree with you 100% that an AGC is nothing more or nothing less than just handling grievances sir.  AGC's aren't suppose to endorse sorry POS agreements sir.  Obviously, you have no problem voting for AGC's who endorse POS agreements, like your boys did in 2008 and like they did at HAL and UAL.  So, the members want to know exactly why would your boys learn from the errors of their way?

You state that "for most members this election is about having representation that doesn't cave in to management..." Another statement made based on your opinion and lacking any factual proof. The last I checked an AGC's primary responsibilty is to represent grevances that have been advanced in the grievance procedure. These POS agreements you refer to were ratified by the membership were they not? Did the AGCs on the UA side or the US side ratify the agreement at UA? You will continue to try to keep the focus on contract negotiations. You will continue to run on the promise that everything will change in negotiations if you and your team are eleced. When the candidates your're running with can bring nothing to the table other than popularity, and potential votes, I understand why you choose to avoid this issue and try to shift attention to contract negotiations. It's your strategy to get elected. For the record... what is your exit strategy if you don't get elected. Another run two years from now? Another decertification drive? I'm sure you, like any politician, has one. 

 

[blue collar]

Once again you go way off topic.
 
Ask anyone on this board, if they would agree to a CBA that would lay off 46% of the workforce?
 
Keep changing, dodging and lying.

What NWA offered AMFA as last best offer in 2005 would've cut headcount by at least 50%, And yet you say NWA outsmarted them.

 

[700UW]

Apples to Oranges.

 

[blue collar]

Apples to Oranges.

Of course. The AMFA guys should've voted to decrease headcount by 50%. I get it now.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Bluto, if Delaney fires
me then no big deal.
This is all about building
to 2016 anyways. And
I don't have to be on a ballot,
as Delaney already knows.
Hopefully, the District and
INTL will finally understand
that they themselves are
creating the tickets against
them. Diversity of opinion
and listening to the membership
would solve a lot of the Stupid
in this union. I got 15 years till
retirement, I'll be around, God willing,
Delaney will retire in October if he
is smart and thinking about his family.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You state that "for most members this election is about having representation that doesn't cave in to management..." Another statement made based on your opinion and lacking any factual proof. The last I checked an AGC's primary responsibilty is to represent grevances that have been advanced in the grievance procedure. These POS agreements you refer to were ratified by the membership were they not? Did the AGCs on the UA side or the US side ratify the agreement at UA? You will continue to try to keep the focus on contract negotiations. You will continue to run on the promise that everything will change in negotiations if you and your team are eleced. When the candidates your're running with can bring nothing to the table other than popularity, and potential votes, I understand why you choose to avoid this issue and try to shift attention to contract negotiations. It's your strategy to get elected. For the record... what is your exit strategy if you don't get elected. Another run two years from now? Another decertification drive? I'm sure you, like any politician, has one. 

You blame the membership, I blame the leadership.  Is the leadership paying dues to us or is the membership paying dues for a service that they are suppose to be providing at $100,000+?  Get Real!   Members pay $750 a year and haven't recieced SQUAT from these bozos!
 
We also disagree on AGC's.  AGC's are responsible for contracts, explaining contracts, and everything contract.  Yes they also hear grievances.  But we aren't paying $100,000+ salaries for someone to be a glorified Local Chairperson that just handles grievances.  BTW, how many arbitrations do these lazy pricks handle a year?  LM2's add up to only about 10 or so arbitrations a year between United/US AIRWAYS.
And why didn't they arbitrate the attendance policy? 
 
141 falling is the Liars Club.   Those like you who vote for them must necessarily blame the membership and acquit this leadership which sucks balls bigtime. I've asked you what the hell have they done in 6 years to further the quality of work life for the entire membership and, as I expected, you provide NOTHING but more hateful attacks against me. 
 
 
Amazing, someone as yourself who ran against them less than two years ago and blasted them, has sour grapes because you were not asked to be on a ballot this time.

 

[Tim Nelson]

From unifiedforchange.org
 
We have more US AIRWAYS endorsements coming from CLT and other stations. In case you missed it yesterday, here is another one from CLT
 
Roger Hallum - RAMP- CLT - US Air

My name is Roger Hallum and I have been in Fleet Service for 37 years. I have been based in LAX, PIT and now CLT for the last 10 years. I was a Teamster member for 10 years and currently a IAM member.

I... am supporting the Unified For Change team for two main reasons;

1) The terrible contract that was brought back to the United employees
2) Lack of contract after being in negotiations for the last three years

I do not understand why it is taking so long to ascertain a contract after US Airways has been making record profits for the past 3-4 years. Now that we are American airlines and continue to make record profits, how is it that every work group at both airlines has received raises except for Fleet Service and the Mechanics at US Airways.

Why is it when times are so good we have to fight to get back what we had 13 years ago? What are we to expect if the economy should take a turn again for the worse? What are we to expect then?

It's time for a change!!! I will vote for the Unified For Change team.

 

[ograc]

You blame the membership, I blame the leadership.  Is the leadership paying dues to us or is the membership paying dues for a service that they are suppose to be providing at $100,000+?  Get Real!   Members pay $750 a year and haven't recieced SQUAT from these bozos!
 
We also disagree on AGC's.  AGC's are responsible for contracts, explaining contracts, and everything contract.  Yes they also hear grievances.  But we aren't paying $100,000+ salaries for someone to be a glorified Local Chairperson that just handles grievances.  BTW, how many arbitrations do these lazy pricks handle a year?  LM2's add up to only about 10 or so arbitrations a year between United/US AIRWAYS.
And why didn't they arbitrate the attendance policy? 
 
141 falling is the Liars Club.   Those like you who vote for them must necessarily blame the membership and acquit this leadership which sucks balls bigtime. I've asked you what the hell have they done in 6 years to further the quality of work life for the entire membership and, as I expected, you provide NOTHING but more hateful attacks against me. 
 
 
Amazing, someone as yourself who ran against them less than two years ago and blasted them, has sour grapes because you were not asked to be on a ballot this time.

The ratification of a TA is absolutey decided by the membership not leadership. An AGCs responsibility is to know the contract, explain the contract and to defend a members' rights under the contract. You asked what has been negotiated in 6 years. You also insinuated Simmons is on the NC. Which he is not. My AGC is available whenever I call. Will visit the station whenever needed. Has gotten local management to change direction many times with the threat of grievance. IMO... this is what they are elected to do. The leadership, with two LOAs, have kept a number of outline stations from being closed, the past two years as we battle through negotiations. I agree  it's a band aid but I'm convinced without the LOAs many would have been gone by now.

 

[Other People]

Ord will definitely vote strongly for change

 

[mike33]

 
From unifiedforchange.org
 
We have more US AIRWAYS endorsements coming from CLT and other stations. In case you missed it yesterday, here is another one from CLT
 
Roger Hallum - RAMP- CLT - US Air

My name is Roger Hallum and I have been in Fleet Service for 37 years. I have been based in LAX, PIT and now CLT for the last 10 years. I was a Teamster member for 10 years and currently a IAM member.

 
 

Noty coming in fast enough?...  You have to use rogers' twice in 2 days?

 

[mike33]

Tim,

Very disappointing to watch you post bs over and over again hoping that some believe it as gospel. I have always been passionate about helping the membership and wish you would stop the dirty politics. How do you expect the membership to benefit if some actually believe that me and my teammates are garbage? You are not helping unless dividing the membership is your goal. Management must love all of the drama you create. Please stop and help instead.

P. Rez

He can't...He is obsessed. He even suggests that something was negotiated in the last 6 yrs. He knows there hasn't been yet because the process is not over yet. I think he is being used and he doesn't realize it. Someone has him by the tail !

 

[robbedagain]

other people...    given that ord is a strong UA hub  it does not come as a shock
 
as for that UA agreement, while it is a crappy one at that...  and while the leadership should have never agreed to that,, the bottom line is that membership did ratify it by a large proportion   knowing what the consequences were going to be..       this should literally teach them all a lesson about reading the contract  in particular the scope portion