2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

you are so far from the truth. You are the sucker and being played by the NC. This team is terrible and have already moved on 2 items, BOTH of which I know darn sure you would be against.

I have a vote. Yes or No. Simple as that

 

[mike33]

Yes or No,  are you guys considering AMR wages to merge, in 2015?  Yes or No?
 
Enough of your bullshit attacks on me.   BTW, you need to stop your pity party since you aren't going to get Gill's AGC job when he moves up.  Sorry maybe next time you won't  get cute and endorse a POS ramp agreement and screw over our craft.  You guys are worthless and havent' done a damn thing in 6 years.

Haven't you learned that the answers you seek will be in the TA when it comes out?....None of our NC is going to show their hand to anyone. Especially you and AH. Keep asking if you must though... 

 

[ograc]

Brothers and Sisters,
IMO... the elections in June can not come soon enough. The political campaigning has become a distraction and, once again, a detriment to solidarity. A detriment to solidraity just when solidarity is needed most. Let's not let politics distract us from what the membership needs regarding contract negotiations. Let's not let politics mislead the membership into believing a change in AGCs will dramatically affect the direction of negotiations or the demonic agenda of the company. Let's not let politics influence the members' choice of which candidates are most qualified, based on past experience, to be elected AGC. A candidate's past experience representing grievances is an issue that continues to be side stepped by the UFC opposition representative. Members must realize, this issue, is avoided because the candidates running for AGC on the US side of the UFC slate have no prior experience. They may be well liked, in their respective stations, and as a result have the potential to pull in votes; but at the end of the day they may not be the best candidate for AGC. When a member's job is on the line is it better to have an AGC who is well liked in his home station or one with past experience representing grievances? This election in June is not a referendum on contract negotiations. It is an election of which candidates are best suited to be AGCs. Let's not let politcs muddy the water.    
 

 

[IAM Member Here]

Brothers and Sisters,
IMO... the elections in June can not come soon enough. The political campaigning has become a distraction and, once again, a detriment to solidarity. A detriment to solidraity just when solidarity is needed most. Let's not let politics distract us from what the membership needs regarding contract negotiations. Let's not let politics mislead the membership into believing a change in AGCs will dramatically affect the direction of negotiations or the demonic agenda of the company. Let's not let politics influence the members' choice of which candidates are most qualified, based on past experience, to be elected AGC. A candidate's past experience representing grievances is an issue that continues to be side stepped by the UFC opposition representative. Members must realize, this issue, is avoided because the candidates running for AGC on the US side of the UFC slate have no prior experience. They may be well liked, in their respective stations, and as a result have the potential to pull in votes; but at the end of the day they may not be the best candidate for AGC. When a member's job is on the line is it better to have an AGC who is well liked in his home station or one with past experience representing grievances? This election in June is not a referendum on contract negotiations. It is an election of which candidates are best suited to be AGCs. Let's not let politcs muddy the water.    
 

The experience for 6 years has proven to be very very bad experience.  No thanks!  There needs to be a shakeup for sure. They are too comfortable and haven't produced anything.  Tim's questions are legit.  What have they done, other than endorse contracts in this industry that limits our craft?  Why should we start believing them now?  And other than bashing Tim, who is running against them, they have not answered even general questions.  And they lied about a release just as Tim said.  I'll vote all usairways and fill in the rest with U4C.   I think it is a very good idea to have Tim in there with the current ones to break up the social club.

 

[WeAAsles]

Brothers and Sisters,
IMO... the elections in June can not come soon enough. The political campaigning has become a distraction and, once again, a detriment to solidarity. A detriment to solidraity just when solidarity is needed most. Let's not let politics distract us from what the membership needs regarding contract negotiations. Let's not let politics mislead the membership into believing a change in AGCs will dramatically affect the direction of negotiations or the demonic agenda of the company. Let's not let politics influence the members' choice of which candidates are most qualified, based on past experience, to be elected AGC. A candidate's past experience representing grievances is an issue that continues to be side stepped by the UFC opposition representative. Members must realize, this issue, is avoided because the candidates running for AGC on the US side of the UFC slate have no prior experience. They may be well liked, in their respective stations, and as a result have the potential to pull in votes; but at the end of the day they may not be the best candidate for AGC. When a member's job is on the line is it better to have an AGC who is well liked in his home station or one with past experience representing grievances? This election in June is not a referendum on contract negotiations. It is an election of which candidates are best suited to be AGCs. Let's not let politcs muddy the water.

As a TWU member for the past 19 years I've seen far too many people elected to very important positions by a popularity contest. Exactly as ograc says if you're job is on the line you don't want someone who is great at kissing babies and patting you on the back to be the one representing you.

The unemployment line is a cold ***** who has no love for anyone.

 

[WeAAsles]

Brothers and Sisters,
IMO... the elections in June can not come soon enough. The political campaigning has become a distraction and, once again, a detriment to solidarity. A detriment to solidraity just when solidarity is needed most. Let's not let politics distract us from what the membership needs regarding contract negotiations. Let's not let politics mislead the membership into believing a change in AGCs will dramatically affect the direction of negotiations or the demonic agenda of the company. Let's not let politics influence the members' choice of which candidates are most qualified, based on past experience, to be elected AGC. A candidate's past experience representing grievances is an issue that continues to be side stepped by the UFC opposition representative. Members must realize, this issue, is avoided because the candidates running for AGC on the US side of the UFC slate have no prior experience. They may be well liked, in their respective stations, and as a result have the potential to pull in votes; but at the end of the day they may not be the best candidate for AGC. When a member's job is on the line is it better to have an AGC who is well liked in his home station or one with past experience representing grievances? This election in June is not a referendum on contract negotiations. It is an election of which candidates are best suited to be AGCs. Let's not let politcs muddy the water.

As a TWU member for the past 19 years I've seen far too many people elected to very important positions by a popularity contest. Exactly as ograc says if you're job is on the line you don't want someone who is great at kissing babies and patting you on the back to be the one representing you.

The unemployment line is a cold ***** who has no love for anyone.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The experience for 6 years has proven to be very very bad experience.  No thanks!  There needs to be a shakeup for sure. They are too comfortable and haven't produced anything.  Tim's questions are legit.  What have they done, other than endorse contracts in this industry that limits our craft?  Why should we start believing them now?  And other than bashing Tim, who is running against them, they have not answered even general questions.  And they lied about a release just as Tim said.  I'll vote all usairways and fill in the rest with U4C.   I think it is a very good idea to have Tim in there with the current ones to break up the social club.

These guys are terrible. Who would vote for them after screwing everyone around for 6 years and dont know what they are doing? They have no skill set or functionability to even understand how to negotiate. Im not sorry that charlie brown may not get gills agc spot. Charlie should have realized that he simply is not going to get away with screwing over our craft and endorsing contracts that bring down our craft.

 

[P. REZ]

When we finalize these contract talks it is my opinion that it will be ratified by over 90%. There will be proof that TN was getting bad info.

I throw out 2 things that we have done that was very good for this membership.

1. Secured 7 weekly mainline flights to protect stations from outsourcing from April, 2013 to April 2015. Still working on in negotiations too.

2. Seniority agreement with the TWU so that no employee will be affected negatively by seniority.

P. Rez

 

[ograc]

The experience for 6 years has proven to be very very bad experience.  No thanks!  There needs to be a shakeup for sure. They are too comfortable and haven't produced anything.  Tim's questions are legit.  What have they done, other than endorse contracts in this industry that limits our craft?  Why should we start believing them now?  And other than bashing Tim, who is running against them, they have not answered even general questions.  And they lied about a release just as Tim said.  I'll vote all usairways and fill in the rest with U4C.   I think it is a very good idea to have Tim in there with the current ones to break up the social club.

Tim wants in. There is no doubt about that. The question is... what real effect Tim will have if he is elected. He likes to insinuate everything will change for the better if elected but I'm not convinced. Tim promised promised the same thing to the membership 6 years ago when he aggressively supported the Delaney Team. He was appointed DL Organizor for his efforts once the Delaney Team got in. For whatever reason he was relieved of his duties and position, yet he accuses me of having sour grapes. You are free to support any candidate you wish. I respect that. Tim would be the first to tell you; candidates you endorse today will often let you down. Don't be fooled by false prophets. Do your research.  

 

[Tim Nelson]

When we finalize these contract talks it is my opinion that it will be ratified by over 90%. There will be proof that TN was getting bad info.

I throw out 2 things that we have done that was very good for this membership.

1. Secured 7 weekly mainline flights to protect stations from outsourcing from April, 2013 to April 2015. Still working on in negotiations too.

2. Seniority agreement with the TWU so that no employee will be affected negatively by seniority.

P. Rez

Again, although me and you know the truth,  Prez,.....Yes or No,  are you guys considering AMR wages to merge, in 2015?  Yes or No?
 
It's a very basic question.  Yes or No?  Otherwise stop bullshitting our peeps.

 

[P. REZ]

No Tim, check your source.

 

[mike33]

No Tim, check your source.

There now you have it ! satisfied?

 

[Tim Nelson]

There now you have it ! satisfied?

Yes.  Yes I am. I like his 90% ratification as well.  Of course, he also says it isn't good enough for him so he must be in that 10%. Lol

 

[mike33]

Yes.  Yes I am. I like his 90% ratification as well.  Of course, he also says it isn't good enough for him so he must be in that 10%. Lol

Well you should be pleased as i would not give that much to you. You have divided this membership as a whole but you have not divided the USairways part of that membership.....
 I know you consider your source viable and I'm sure it is.....but........for whose interests?
 
  Where did he say it wasn't good enough for him? I must have missed that and i reread it 3 times !!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well you should be pleased as i would not give that much to you. You have divided this membership as a whole but you have not divided the USairways part of that membership.....

Absurd!  The team I am on has unified the membership and is unifying at US AIRWAYS as well, against the division and destruction that the current leaders have created through being lazy, and deceitful and have 3 sorry ass contracts to show for it.   Again, I will ask you Mike, please show me in 6 years what your boys have done?   You, sir, are destroying our membership because you support union leaders who have done plenty to destroy our entire craft in this industry.
Blame me all day Mike, one thing you can't do is show me what these guys havent' effed up.
 
They are a bunch of liars and even started putting out flyers with the wrong voting dates on them in all the United hubs.  They could care less for members.  The sooner we can kick their lazy asses out of office, the better we will all be.