2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[NYer]

How? WIth a MOU?  So you are saying that all LAA stations will be under TWU scope with 1 flight?

The status quo will be kept for everyone, which is what the 1 flight agreement does. Even if we jeep the current language with US flights counting towards the total, everyone on both side would be safe until the Joint language is agreed to.

 

[737823]

The status quo will be kept for everyone, which is what the 1 flight agreement does. Even if we jeep the current language with US flights counting towards the total, everyone on both side would be safe until the Joint language is agreed to.

What about AA stations ATL, SAT, and STL? They are lurking the 15 flight threshold. As more S80s are retired and that flying is being replaced with Republic/Envoy.

Josh

 

[Jester]

WeAAsles,
 
Unfortunately, Part-Timers have been taking it in the shorts since the TWU days of America West: unpaid sick days, higher insurance premiums, family coverage denied (employees only), etc..  IAM had its own differences in particular on furloughs without guarantees of a job in the system, no moving expenses, and certainly no "juniority", and of course, higher insurance premiums and lower pension benefits.
 
I think the attitude was that Part-Timers weren't "serious" as this was a second job for "play money" and travel benefits, while Full-Timers were raising families and more committed to their jobs, thus favoritism was granted towards Full-Timers.
 
Personally, I have come to realize that being part-time or full-time are often times just labels as there a many Full-Timers who work part-time hours and Part-Timers who work full-time hours.  If the degree of "seriousness" to the job is measured by number of hours worked, then it seems fitting differences in benefits should be based upon hours worked, not on whatever label has been assigned.

 

[700UW]

No, not trying to put words in your mouth, just repeating the words out of your mouth.  There you said it again, we had no leverage.  You sir, are incorrect once again.  We had a lot of leverage, even thanks to the support from the TWU. Without leverage, this contract wouldn't have produced the scope for all stations.  In fact, I find it preposterous that you can't understand that. 

Yes folks, hades has frozen over, I actually agree with Tim and gave him a +1.

 

[NYer]

What about AA stations ATL, SAT, and STL? They are lurking the 15 flight threshold. As more S80s are retired and that flying is being replaced with Republic/Envoy.
Josh

Again, I'd expect to be able to count the US flights towards that number. As a point of clarification, the number is equivalent to 7 daily flights and that number under the current TWU CBA. Even without the US flights, those stations you mentioned are not in danger.

 

[NYer]

WeAAsles,
 
Unfortunately, Part-Timers have been taking it in the shorts since the TWU days of America West: unpaid sick days, higher insurance premiums, family coverage denied (employees only), etc..  IAM had its own differences in particular on furloughs without guarantees of a job in the system, no moving expenses, and certainly no "juniority", and of course, higher insurance premiums and lower pension benefits.
 
I think the attitude was that Part-Timers weren't "serious" as this was a second job for "play money" and travel benefits, while Full-Timers were raising families and more committed to their jobs, thus favoritism was granted towards Full-Timers.
 
Personally, I have come to realize that being part-time or full-time are often times just labels as there a many Full-Timers who work part-time hours and Part-Timers who work full-time hours.  If the degree of "seriousness" to the job is measured by number of hours worked, then it seems fitting differences in benefits should be based upon hours worked, not on whatever label has been assigned.

For the sake of growing FT positions, it is shortsighted and a mistake to allow the Company to gain a cost advantage within the same workforce. If the cost per employee is less for a PT than a FT then there is more incentive to keep and even grow the PT population.

 

[700UW]

What about AA stations ATL, SAT, and STL? They are lurking the 15 flight threshold. As more S80s are retired and that flying is being replaced with Republic/Envoy.

Josh

This is about US and its TA, doesnt have anything to do with how the TWU and AA do their business with their CBA.

 

[P. REZ]

I'm still trying to digest why the NC would subject our medical plans to being completely abolished.   This isn't the sorta contract that should get a 90% approval as Prez suggested. Maybe it will, but this would be the only health care article in any labor contract that I have seen that allows the complete abolishment and allows a company such freedoms of even having new plans.  None of us would know anything about what we would be paying?  What deductible? What out of pocket? What lifetime?   Terrible.
 
ANd the part timers were apparently lied to because I didn't see where the NC merged their retirement or health care cost in with full time as was expected.
 
No more holidays, still get tagged with half sick pay, and get stuck with the lowest wage of all legacy carriers.   The scope I do like but the cost neutral basis means that our health care plans are in the hands of an arbitrator or management. WTH?
 
To Charlie Brown,  did the stews or pilots agree to something similar to the Health Care attachment in their stand alone agreements they signed recently?
 
At any rate, as I voiced my concerns last week, suspecting that there was a big concession on health care, the big 2, i.e., scope and health care are very important.  We had great health care for full timers, not so good for part timers, and the scope imo sucked.  But hammering the health care to get better scope wasn't the path that I would have gotten excited about from my perspective.   I could certainly understand the small stations voting for this due to scope, and other employees just to get the long overdue pay raises, but I certainly can't vote for this.   Gosh forbid we lose the scope in joint talks but keep the nasty 'drop dead health care". 
 
Exchanging 'drop dead scope dates' for 'drop dead health care dates' is rather distasteful.

Tim,
 
Do your homework on this. The flight attendants agreed to the health care letter and you can find on pages 379-380 under L6-1 and L6-2. The pilots did too. The ACA has this going into effect in 2018 and every American will be affected if this provision isn't delayed or modified by 2018. If you do more homework you will see that the IAMAW was against this from the start because Unions have negotiated "Cadillac plans" for its members and should not be penalized. Hopefully some lobbying by the IAMAW and other Unions can change or delay the excise tax on these so called "Cadillac plans". The IAMAW is being very proactive on this issue and for you to hammer the IAMAW on this is flat unfair.  
 
Tim, don't dog this agreement because it is solid and is a very good first step in becoming the best paid employees in this industry once the jcba is complete. With the help of our Brothers and Sisters at TWU, I'm sure we can make this happen and I look forward to the future and the prosperity we will all get and deserve when complete. 
 
Quit fighting us and let's come together for the good of all. 
 
P. Rez

 

[robbedagain]

prez  if say this TA is approved on July 18 by us the membership  then the company has until Aug 17 to begin both the SCS and JCBA  at leas that is how I am interpreting it in the current TA

 

[mike33]

prez  if say this TA is approved on July 18 by us the membership  then the company has until Aug 17 to begin both the SCS and JCBA  at leas that is how I am interpreting it in the current TA

30 days..in the agreement

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
Do your homework on this. The flight attendants agreed to the health care letter and you can find on pages 379-380 under L6-1 and L6-2. The pilots did too. The ACA has this going into effect in 2018 and every American will be affected if this provision isn't delayed or modified by 2018. If you do more homework you will see that the IAMAW was against this from the start because Unions have negotiated "Cadillac plans" for its members and should not be penalized. Hopefully some lobbying by the IAMAW and other Unions can change or delay the excise tax on these so called "Cadillac plans". The IAMAW is being very proactive on this issue and for you to hammer the IAMAW on this is flat unfair.  
 
Tim, don't dog this agreement because it is solid and is a very good first step in becoming the best paid employees in this industry once the jcba is complete. With the help of our Brothers and Sisters at TWU, I'm sure we can make this happen and I look forward to the future and the prosperity we will all get and deserve when complete. 
 
Quit fighting us and let's come together for the good of all. 
 
P. Rez

Quit fighting?  I think we ought to start fighting for once. And why do you think that when I disagree with you that I'm fighting?  The wages will still make us worst within the legacies but my biggest problem is that you can't tell me one thing about what my health care will look like in 2018.  I have a problem with that.  Also, how much did those extra union positions cost us? I saw that you guys upped it from 5 to 7 that the company has to pay for now.  
 
I can't agree with this contract Prez so I won't be a part of your 90% figure.  I think it will pass and it may approach 90% but looking at things long term, the language in the health care letter is extremely troubling.  Allowing the company to actually have the right to abolish all 3 plans is a joke.  Better to be straight up with folks and take it up the ass like they did at United when they raised all the caps and cost, instead of back dooring this thing in 4 years with "Drop Dead Health Care" language.  I'm not impressed if the IAM was against it,  the IAM failed to protect my health care in this contract, I would be impressed if it did. 
 
We went from Drop Dead scope to Drop Dead Health care.  Musical chairs.  The money was long overdue anyways with no pay raises for a few years, and even then, $23 is less than the other legacies.
 
And what did this contract do for 40% of us that are part time?  I thought you said you were going to bring them up to the same full time contributions/cost in regards to pension and health care?  Is there another contract in the industry that hammers part timers with 2X?
 
Look, people are hungry, your contract will pass, but don't dare think that I'm going to say this contract is good after you guys create a situation where an outside person or management can determine my future health care without any further negotiations.  That, my friend, is bull shitt.  As an aside, even the language in that health care letter is a joke.  Giving the company a 'reasonable period of time',  what the hell does that mean?  LMAO.  Go back and check with your buddies at United and see what management over there thinks "reasonable period of time" means for insourcing.

 

[700UW]

prez  if say this TA is approved on July 18 by us the membership  then the company has until Aug 17 to begin both the SCS and JCBA  at leas that is how I am interpreting it in the current TA

The company has nothing to do with the SCS, that is for the unions to file with the NMB.

 

[700UW]

The company doesnt pay the AGCs, the union and the company got an additional two space positive available travel, nothing else.
 
The District pays 50% of their salary and the Grand Lodge pays the other 50%.

 

[737823]

The company doesnt pay the AGCs, the union and the company got an additional two space positive available travel, nothing else.
 
The District pays 50% of their salary and the Grand Lodge pays the other 50%.

I thought 141 is "not your district"

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

thanks 700  so within 30 days of ratification the TWU/IAM will file for SCS?