2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[charlie Brown]

The Pilots Union, and the Flight Attendants Union, used to have, and may still have an automated phone system that each member had to enter their book numbers into to receive pre-recorded updates from their respective Unions regarding Negotiations Progress...
 
Perhaps, something like the automated messages and/or something akin to the APFA link, would help to inform everyone in Fleet on progress, or lack of progress in real time...

Roa
I agree. We actually checked into that at the beginning of our negotiations. We wanted to do a 1-800 number. It just kinda fell through. But I agree, I think that would be good.

 

[roabilly]

That's a possability with the articles. The only problem I see with that, is in the beginning of negotiation both sides sign an agreement that any article that has a t/a can at anytime be opened back up by either party. So not sure how accurate the info would be, since it would be subject for change up to the time of the whole agreement being agreed to. This was just one reason once the T/a was announced it took awhile to get out. Some articles we may have t/a'd more than one time due to changes. So we had to go back and make sure of the most recent changes and all.

That’s why most of the updates from the other unions are ambiguous at best-- In other words, they generally only reveal that article such and such was discussed... or that “progress” was made on certain items. They are never specific, because they can’t be for the reasons you just discussed...

 

[WeAAsles]

That's a possability with the articles. The only problem I see with that, is in the beginning of negotiation both sides sign an agreement that any article that has a t/a can at anytime be opened back up by either party. So not sure how accurate the info would be, since it would be subject for change up to the time of the whole agreement being agreed to. This was just one reason once the T/a was announced it took awhile to get out. Some articles we may have t/a'd more than one time due to changes. So we had to go back and make sure of the most recent changes and all.

Ahhh. Ok. And actually I don't think personally you guys took too long in getting the full TA out. It's in people's nature to want the news that just happened today to be told to them yesterday. I was also glad to see the TA come out without all the colorful eye catching graphics that we see too often in those car commercials where you can only see the fine print with a magnifying glass.

Kudos for putting it out in all it's glory to be seen and measured in full.

 

[charlie Brown]

Ahhh. Ok. And actually I don't think personally you guys took too long in getting the full TA out. It's in people's nature to want the news that just happened today to be told to them yesterday. I was also glad to see the TA come out without all the colorful eye catching graphics that we see too often in those car commercials where you can only see the fine print with a magnifying glass.
Kudos for putting it out in all it's glory to be seen and measured in full.

Thanks!! I appreciate that! Hope everyone reads it and we can have discussions about it on here, and help educate everyone before the vote.

 

[roabilly]

You're worried and even considering how to vote based on a letter made necessary by a Federal law and doesn't even enter the landscape until 2018?

Your concern should be on how to convince an airline to offer that same type of plan to another 50,000 employees that just came out of BK in which one of the biggest cost savings achieved was done through modification of the healthcare coverage. They are also presently studying whether they will continue to pursue even more changes or modifications towards the retiree's.

You seem to have a loss in perspective or your DNA that triggers opposition is misfiring.

Welcome to the world of Nelson... everything is bad if it’s IAM! 
 
As you said... he should be thinking of the alliance, and all of the Members of the NEW AA!

 

[roabilly]

Charlie...
 
You guys did exactly what you were elected to do, and that’s to negotiate the best agreement possible in Section 6 pre-SCS! Your team used the leverage available, and stayed patient throughout the process. The Membership supported you the entire time... well... except for one Member in ORD!
 
Good Job... Have a good fourth...

 

[WeAAsles]

A little news item off topic to remind us all that the fight against us is still ongoing and we have to pay attention.
 
On June 24, Bec Goodbourn and Kerry Henderson cast ballots in a union election held for the staff of Book Culture, the independent bookstore where they worked in the Morningside Heights neighborhood of New York. Like the vast majority of the bookstore's workforce, both Henderson and Goodbourn voted in favor of union representation.
By the end of the day, they were both fired.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/book-culture_n_5552498.html

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie...
 
You guys did exactly what you were elected to do, and that’s to negotiate the best agreement possible in Section 6 pre-SCS! Your team used the leverage available, and stayed patient throughout the process. The Membership supported you the entire time... well... except for one Member in ORD!
 
Good Job... Have a good fourth...

Thanks Roa
I give all the credit to the membership for staying solid and hanging in there, I know it was frustrating for everyone, but everyone stayed strong. The people on this forum helped a lot also, as I know the company reads this, as well as a lot of other members that don't even post. It helps educate the membership, and the company for that matter. You have a great fourth too!! Hope your enjoying the good life on the farm!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
First lets clarify some things. You even said in a earlier post that Tom Regen and the IAM was the one that negotiated our current insurance. Yes? So let's give Tom Regen and the IAM some credit that we have insurance good enough to even be having this debate. I mean if we currently had the AA 80% insurance and that was it, we wouldnt even be discussing this excise tax for 2018 would we? So let's be glad we are in a position to debate this because of such a good insurance plan that it may go " Cadillac status" in 2018. And like I said before, it's only the individual plan that goes over the cap that this applies to. If none of them go over the cap, then the letter doesn't even apply. And as far as answering your question with a yes or no? Lol. Read your question again Tim. It's not a question for a yes or no answer. But since you asked, ok my answer is Yes! Now figure out which one I mean yes to. Lol

My questions have been exclusive to the health care attachment. My expressions of me being uncomfortable with the TA based on health care should be respected.  I'm not the only one but if you guys are going to ridicule those seeking answers and engaging in the dialogue then few will participate.   When I ask questions or express dialogue about this, you should engage objectively and not be bothered about if I want to run for VP or AGC or whatever you were talking about in another post. This has nothing to do with politics. I am just one of many who don't fully understand the new ACA.  For instance, would it benefit the company, if the taxes were triggered, to create a new plan instead of having the grandfathered plans?  I honestly don't know but it was a curious question since the company has that right if things are triggered.
 
At any rate, you are saying that this attachment won't have anything to do with the 80% plan at all, even though the attachment covers the 80% plan where the company could abolish the plan and devise a new plan if the excise taxes are triggered. Why would the company want this exclusive protection if what you said was true?  What scenario is management concerned about?
 
Not sure what half truths you are talking about that I have expressed but when I post a comment, it is just that, a comment, not an exhaustive comprehensive summary of something that I am inquiring or expressing concerns about.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A little news item off topic to remind us all that the fight against us is still ongoing and we have to pay attention.
 
On June 24, Bec Goodbourn and Kerry Henderson cast ballots in a union election held for the staff of Book Culture, the independent bookstore where they worked in the Morningside Heights neighborhood of New York. Like the vast majority of the bookstore's workforce, both Henderson and Goodbourn voted in favor of union representation.
By the end of the day, they were both fired.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/book-culture_n_5552498.html

Somewhere you asked a curious question about part time leads.  Part time leads were established during the America West merger but they were and still are only limited to I believe a dozen or so former Awest stations, mostly in PHX. But in any case, I don't think they can exceed 68 in the total system.  And we kept the lead ratio of one lead to every 12 members, which is very good.  I don't believe I remember seeing a lead ratio at LAA but this is something we definitely will want to keep moving forward in joint talks as well.

 

[charlie Brown]

My questions have been exclusive to the health care attachment. My expressions of me being uncomfortable with the TA based on health care should be respected.  I'm not the only one but if you guys are going to ridicule those seeking answers and engaging in the dialogue then few will participate.   When I ask questions or express dialogue about this, you should engage objectively and not be bothered about if I want to run for VP or AGC or whatever you were talking about in another post. This has nothing to do with politics. I am just one of many who don't fully understand the new ACA.  For instance, would it benefit the company, if the taxes were triggered, to create a new plan instead of having the grandfathered plans?  I honestly don't know but it was a curious question since the company has that right if things are triggered.
 
At any rate, you are saying that this attachment won't have anything to do with the 80% plan at all, even though the attachment covers the 80% plan where the company could abolish the plan and devise a new plan if the excise taxes are triggered. Why would the company want this exclusive protection if what you said was true?  What scenario is management concerned about?
 
Not sure what half truths you are talking about that I have expressed but when I post a comment, it is just that, a comment, not an exhaustive comprehensive summary of something that I am inquiring or expressing concerns about.

Gee! Don't get sinsitive on me Tim. That's not like you! And please show me where I was ridiculing you for asking a question. Where my difference with you has always been and still remains is in your post and how you state we traded insurance just to get scope. If you want to ask questions! Then fire away. That's what I'm here for. But I'm not gonna let you state what I believe are false accusations without debating you about it. As I'm sure you have and will continue to debate me when you disagree. That's not ridicule.

 

[charlie Brown]

Somewhere you asked a curious question about part time leads.  Part time leads were established during the America West merger but they were and still are only limited to I believe a dozen or so former Awest stations, mostly in PHX. But in any case, I don't think they can exceed 68 in the total system.  And we kept the lead ratio of one lead to every 12 members, which is very good.  I don't believe I remember seeing a lead ratio at LAA but this is something we definitely will want to keep moving forward in joint talks as well.

You are correct on this. At last count they didn't even have close to the 68 anymore.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Gee! Don't get sinsitive on me Tim. That's not like you! And please show me where I was ridiculing you for asking a question. Where my difference with you has always been and still remains is in your post and how you state we traded insurance just to get scope. If you want to ask questions! Then fire away. That's what I'm here for. But I'm not gonna let you state what I believe are false accusations without debating you about it. As I'm sure you have and will continue to debate me when you disagree. That's not ridicule.

It's clear in the ta that the cross utilization was traded for the scope by allowing the TWU members to do our work in what I believe are a dozen or so stations.  Obviously, that's something I'm uncomfortable about in my station but I can understand the tradeoff as the company wouldn't want to insource IAH and would love to bypass a fence and go immediately to cross utilization flexibilities, and the union would want to extend the scope of all stations.
 
At any rate,  I am just one of many who don't fully understand the new ACA.  For instance, would it benefit the company, if the taxes were triggered, to create a new plan instead of having the grandfathered plans?  I honestly don't know but it was a curious question since the company has that right to do that, based on the new health care attachment we are voting on, if things are triggered.
 
And by furthering your earlier comments,  you are saying that this attachment won't have anything to do with the 80% plan at all, even though the attachment covers the 80% plan where the company could abolish the plan and devise a new plan if the excise taxes are triggered?  Why would the company want this exclusive protection if what you said was true?  What scenario is management concerned about?

 

[P. REZ]

My questions have been exclusive to the health care attachment. My expressions of me being uncomfortable with the TA based on health care should be respected.  I'm not the only one but if you guys are going to ridicule those seeking answers and engaging in the dialogue then few will participate.   When I ask questions or express dialogue about this, you should engage objectively and not be bothered about if I want to run for VP or AGC or whatever you were talking about in another post. This has nothing to do with politics. I am just one of many who don't fully understand the new ACA.  For instance, would it benefit the company, if the taxes were triggered, to create a new plan instead of having the grandfathered plans?  I honestly don't know but it was a curious question since the company has that right if things are triggered.
 
At any rate, you are saying that this attachment won't have anything to do with the 80% plan at all, even though the attachment covers the 80% plan where the company could abolish the plan and devise a new plan if the excise taxes are triggered. Why would the company want this exclusive protection if what you said was true?  What scenario is management concerned about?
 
Not sure what half truths you are talking about that I have expressed but when I post a comment, it is just that, a comment, not an exhaustive comprehensive summary of something that I am inquiring or expressing concerns about.

Tim,
 
You have the right to feel any way you want. Vote how you please too. I respect that. Ask any and all questions but if you start with your talking s**t then I will respond accordingly. I am not going to put up with your BS. Your parrot in PHX is spewing his hate and trying to cause controversy and word is he is saying per Tim on all his hate. The hate is not going over well here either BTW.
 
P. Rez

 

[Kev3188]

A little news item off topic to remind us all that the fight against us is still ongoing and we have to pay attention.

...And that that fight is larger than any one of us...

We're all in it together...