2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

For someone that admits not knowing or understanding the ACA, you sure have a definitive opinion of the President. Learn the law, learn why it is the way it is, learn and get perspective on how the changes affect you (if it even does) before making such statements which to be mostly based on ignorance.

all i need to know is that my union is effing my healthcare or obama.
Over the last two days, ive been told that obamacare is what is hammering working people like me because my health care was too good. Thank you obama. I should have voted against him. The republicans were right about obamacare. That dude lied out his arse.

As i said, unions and full blown democrats are making republicans out of people. One big liberal scam.

 

[NYer]

all i need to know is that my union is effing my healthcare or obama.
Over the last two days, ive been told that obamacare is what is hammering working people like me because my health care was too good. Thank you obama. I should have voted against him. The republicans were right about obamacare. That dude lied out his arse.
As i said, unions and full blown democrats are making republicans out of people. One big liberal scam.

A "union man" lambasting President Obama over a law that ensure millions of Americans gain medical coverage that the rest of us have enjoyed for many decades. A "union man" that is against and complaining about something he admits he knows little about...Doesn't seem like that "union man" is ready to take a leadership role if his only function is to spread ill informed opinions that creates more dissension than actually helping the rest of us move forward.

By the way, there are two things that make a Democrat into a Republican....one is ignorance and the other is not educating themselves.

 

[robbedagain]

name one president let alone one politician who has not effed the American People or lied to the People....   

 

[Jester]

 
Last I looked there was only one PT lead in PHX.
 
 
Yep.  The "Quick Turn" used to mean you get the flight in and out as quickly as possible, but now it's just a colloquialism for a minimum-ground-time-turn.  I think once we started charging for checked bags and the number of carry-on's (and thus gate checks) shot up the quick turns stopped being so quick anyway.

 
I think you are correct... one PT lead in PHX, although I have spoken with several LAS guys who said that PT leads were once very common there, but I think they are all FT now.
 
And I am old school... "quick turn" as if I am working with a lead for whom I respect, I will bust it, but otherwise, I hope every plane goes out 3 minutes late hoping it reflects badly on the PHX Management Monkeys.  Worked one day recently and not a single flight went out on time, and I think it was the jackass lead's fault mostly, but I did my job, but nothing above and beyond of what was reasonable.

 

[Tim Nelson]

A "union man" lambasting President Obama over a law that ensure millions of Americans gain medical coverage that the rest of us have enjoyed for many decades. A "union man" that is against and complaining about something he admits he knows little about...Doesn't seem like that "union man" is ready to take a leadership role if his only function is to spread ill informed opinions that creates more dissension than actually helping the rest of us move forward.
By the way, there are two things that make a Democrat into a Republican....one is ignorance and the other is not educating themselves.

more entitlements. At any rate, i dont go by your definitions. Im pro worker and that means that i even fight labor organizations when they are wrong.

There is a reason why michigan is right to work now. You need to educate yourself and open up your leftist mind a bit and be more moderate. Obama effed the working folks. If some lazy undesirable gets free insurance off my dime then there is nothing i can do about it but im tired of flipping the bill for deadbeats while the democrats gut the middle class further with more levys on them.

 

[WeAAsles]

more entitlements. At any rate, i dont go by your definitions. Im pro worker and that means that i even fight labor organizations when they are wrong.

There is a reason why michigan is right to work now. You need to educate yourself and open up your leftist mind a bit and be more moderate. Obama effed the working folks. If some lazy undesirable gets free insurance off my dime then there is nothing i can do about it but im tired of flipping the bill for deadbeats while the democrats gut the middle class further with more levys on them.

OH MY GOD!!!!! Look at what was trying to get your vote to be a part of a Labor organization. Someone who is supposed to defend the working class and lift them up. You F'en phony. You have NO clue what it means to be a Union member. Get your asss back to watching Fox news where you belong and stop trying to PRETEND you give a damn about anyone but YOURSELF.

You benefit from being a Union member out of sheer luck. A roll of the dice that they picked you to hire. Nothing more than that.....

I hope your people save this crap you just spouted out?

This is the real TIM NELSON!!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Here you are Tim. Here's those deadbeats you think so highly of.
 
The overwhelming majority of low-wage earners who would receive a raise by restoring the minimum wage to its historic value are adults who spend their careers in frontline low-wage industries that make our economy run.  Fast-growing low-wage jobs like home care are disproportionately held by female and older workers.
Contrary to stereotypes and the repeated claims of minimum wage opponents, the overwhelming majority of low-wage workers are adults, not teens, and they contribute a substantial portion of their households’ incomes.  According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, three quarters of minimum wage earners are 20 or older.
According to the Economic Policy Institute’s State of Working America, a stunning 35 million Americans – 26 percent of our workforce – earn less than $10.55 an hour. 
The following table, courtesy of the Economic Policy Institute, shows the demographics of workers making less than $9.72 an hour:

http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/demographics

 

[Kev3188]

There is a reason why michigan is right to work now.

...And it's because labor was too busy trying to "partner" with capital.

 
 

You need to educate yourself and open up your leftist mind a bit and be more moderate.

Respectfully disagree. If anything, we need to move further left. Labor's tried being centrist and going along to get along. Where'd that get us?

FWIW, I don't see ACA as Obama's biggest failure w/r/t America's working class. That title is a 3 way split between EFCA, the failure to truly overhaul the nation's infrastructure, and TPP...

 

[roabilly]

OH MY GOD!!!!! Look at what was trying to get your vote to be a part of a Labor organization. Someone who is supposed to defend the working class and lift them up. You F'en phony. You have NO clue what it means to be a Union member. Get your asss back to watching Fox news where you belong and stop trying to PRETEND you give a damn about anyone but YOURSELF.

You benefit from being a Union member out of sheer luck. A roll of the dice that they picked you to hire. Nothing more than that.....

I hope your people save this crap you just spouted out?

This is the real TIM NELSON!!!!

What people like Nelson fail to realize is that prior to the ACA, everyone with Health Insurance (Like Union Members) was ALREADY footing the bill for those without insurance!
Essentially, that is why Healthcare became such a huge expense to Companies, and Individuals alike. 
 
With large percentages of American Citizens either not qualifying for, or unable to afford healthcare, the costs were being transferred to those that WERE insured prior to the ACA!
Nelson labels these folks as "undesirable deadbeats" that are sustaining themselves with free insurance on his dime. 
 
The ACA is not perfect, primarily from opposition from the far right. Of course-- all of the same arguments were made when Social Security was implemented, and labeled as Socialism in 1935!

 

[NYer]

more entitlements. At any rate, i dont go by your definitions. Im pro worker and that means that i even fight labor organizations when they are wrong.
There is a reason why michigan is right to work now. You need to educate yourself and open up your leftist mind a bit and be more moderate. Obama effed the working folks. If some lazy undesirable gets free insurance off my dime then there is nothing i can do about it but im tired of flipping the bill for deadbeats while the democrats gut the middle class further with more levys on them.

Wow. I'm sure glad you're not in a leadership role. There seems to be many misinformed statements in your rant. I guess you've been somewhat exposed as to your views against unions while at the same time using Conservative tag lines..... Many of your posts make a little more sense now that your political tendencies are exposed....Yikes.

 

[WeAAsles]

What sickens me the most is to hear from supposed Union men and women who for some reason have it in their minds that the healthcare benefits we currently enjoy are our right. The reality is that what we do requires NO college degree and the reason we get what we do is because OTHERS who came before us a long time ago fought and died to win those benefits over many years of sacrifice. 

We have this job for one of two reasons period. Either we knew someone or we were lucky when they called us up we then passed the interview?

To read what I did last night from some self professed labor leader, a man who claims to be looking out for the people, who even worse has a Religious degree and is supposed to believe in the teachings of JESUS CHRIST is flat out disgusting. It smacks of one of the worst things a person can be,

A HYPOCRITE!!!!!

I'm not better than any one of those people who are earning minimum wage. I'm just more fortunate.

 

[Tim Nelson]

...And it's because labor was too busy trying to "partner" with capital.

 
 


Respectfully disagree. If anything, we need to move further left. Labor's tried being centrist and going along to get along. Where'd that get us?

FWIW, I don't see ACA as Obama's biggest failure w/r/t America's working class. That title is a 3 way split between EFCA, the failure to truly overhaul the nation's infrastructure, and TPP...

When he bailed out on EFCA, that was a big blow to what he claimed he would do.  But I also was uncomfortable with how the AFLCIO compromised with Republicans and agreed for arbitration.  Unions are in sore need of a tuneup. I end up having to fight them [The unions] over members rights  just as much as I engage in fighting for their rights to be represented.

 

[Tim Nelson]

What sickens me the most is to hear from supposed Union men and women who for some reason have it in their minds that the healthcare benefits we currently enjoy are our right. The reality is that what we do requires NO college degree and the reason we get what we do is because OTHERS who came before us a long time ago fought and died to win those benefits over many years of sacrifice. 

We have this job for one of two reasons period. Either we knew someone or we were lucky when they called us up we then passed the interview?

To read what I did last night from some self professed labor leader, a man who claims to be looking out for the people, who even worse has a Religious degree and is supposed to believe in the teachings of JESUS CHRIST is flat out disgusting. It smacks of one of the worst things a person can be,

A HYPOCRITE!!!!!

I'm not better than any one of those people who are earning minimum wage. I'm just more fortunate.

Yes, REAL union folks did fight.  Sorry, I'm just not impressed with a pension that is worst in the industry and blows,  tossing my health care to "See Management"  and maintaining the lowest wage of legacies.  Hell, and I'm not even part time like 40% of my peeps are.  No longevity, no shift differ, no more holidays, no more vacation unless you have 25 years, and still half sick pay,  and a  ridiculous ten cent increase to retirement after 3 years of supposedly fighting to raise it back up.  Part timers get doubly hammered.  Our peeps were lied to bigtime.  Told that they would at least close the gap of the part time disparity, and raise the pension and/or create a 401k as well.  We didn't get D*ck!   Other than a long overdue raise that was hostage to 3 years that we were owed anyways.   Sorry, not impressed.  
 
As far as me being a union guy, I got news for you, unions have been wrong a lot lately.  And I'm not the Pollyanna as you are and cower down to them when they violate the civil rights of members or sign ridiculous contracts like at United.  To be sure, this TA at US AIRWAYS is better than the anti union one at United because I do put respect on scope, but not until pro management folks as yourself start becoming more radical with labor, will you ever learn that you actually have to fight Labor now as well to bring it back home where it should be. 
 
Ive read you and Sidney's BS and you sound just like management mouthpieces.  Begging folks to work with management, even if that means accepting unfair contracts.  I honestly have no idea why any part timer would vote for this TA other than just accepting a wage increase.  At any rate, you can call me all the names you want regarding politics but no way in heck will I consider voting democrat this time for US President without a candidate that offers something a lot different from where Obama has things.  Very disappointed in Obama.   Not saying the Republicans are right but they have been spot on with a lot of things.    And FWIW, I never been a Republican and I prefer staying independent.

 

 

[700UW]

You don't fight for members' rights, you are fighting your 20+ year failed quest for power. and you are a closet right winger.

 

[WeAAsles]

When he bailed out on EFCA, that was a big blow to what he claimed he would do.  But I also was uncomfortable with how the AFLCIO compromised with Republicans and agreed for arbitration.  Unions are in sore need of a tuneup. I end up having to fight them [The unions] over members rights  just as much as I engage in fighting for their rights to be represented.

You don't fight for anyone but yourself you phony. And Tim if what I've been doing to you on this forum the last couple of months had any effect in exposing you and costing you the election, I'm very proud I did it.

You are 100% ANTI UNION and if you ever get in I'm positive all you're going to try to do is destroy it from the inside.