2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

Let's get something straight for all the lurkers right now.
The Nic is not a West scam

So says nonic4us, scam of the century I would say.

 

[luvthe9]

Kinda like that idiot Nicolau?The ALPA Arbitration Board------------------------------------------------------------"Now, in the eyes of the arbitrator, who had more to gain?

Why did the east have to turn over approximately 28 percent of east flying to you clowns just to make you semi-profitable, you were saved by us, just ask Dave he loves the east he will be a captain or in the wide body soon, the west brings nothing to this merge and should have been sold off. Now sit back and watch the east growth that you could have enjoyed if not for Ferguson and Koontz.

 

[snapthis]

NO, you were the guys that couldn't cash the lottery ticket, then refused to even discuss making something work.  Oh, and fought pay parity for the east, even thought it wouldn't have cost you a dime.  Oh, and paid ignorant lawyers MILLIONS to press a losing case.  Oh, and refuse to even participate in the merger committee, even though a blind man could see that the Nic is a non-starter.  
 
What a bunch of rubes.  That lawyer sure earned his keep, just by finding such gullible fools to represent.  Better call Saul!

Oh, the lottery ticket myth.

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Try telling a West pilot furloughed as a result of the acquisition he won the lottery you stupid idiot.

 

[snapthis]

 

Let's get something straight for all the lurkers right now.

The West did not write the Nicolau award. The Nic is not a West scam.

But, the intentional forcing of separate ops, in violation of the former TA. The intentional stealling of West jobs through the SCAB union, well, those are the east SCABs....SCAM!

Since it's been delayed for a while, information is being gathered for an updated version.

"The East seniority list for 1-1-14 should have been produced by 1-31-14. If anyone has access to an electronic copy could you please forward it...I've updated the NIC with the west list of 1-1-14 but need the east numbers."

 

[Phoenix]

 

Since it's been delayed for a while, information is being gathered for an updated version.

"The East seniority list for 1-1-14 should have been produced by 1-31-14. If anyone has access to an electronic copy could you please forward it...I've updated the NIC with the west list of 1-1-14 but need the east numbers."

 
 
That approach was already dealt with.   You are paying for the Cactuspilot.com website.  You should check it out sometime...
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_213-5_USAPA_%20Exhibits_Tabs_6-8.pdf
 

 

[end_of_alpa]

Kinda like that idiot Nicolau?The ALPA Arbitration Board-------------------------------------------------------------xIn the Matter of the Seniority Integration ofThe Pilots of US Airways, Inc.andThe Pilots of America West Airlines, Inc.-------------------------------------------------------------xThe ALPA Arbitration BoardGeorge Nicolau, ChairmanCaptain Stephen Gillen, Pilot NeutralCaptain James P. Brucia, Pilot NeutralAPPEARANCESFor the US Airways Pilots:Katz & Ranzman, P.C.By: Daniel M. Katz, Esq.Jason M. Whiteman. Esq.For the America West Pilots:Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C.By: Jeffrey R. Freund, Esq.Roger Pollack, Esq.Lisa Powell, Esq.OPINIONANDAWARD "Our view is that neither picture is persuasive. The US Airways reliance on post-merger statements by America West's CEO, clearly made to assuage growing concerns of America West pilots who had seen a post-merger end to hiring, an increasing return of long furloughed US Airways pilots and a flattening in their own advancement, 'is misplaced. Equally so is America West's insistence that US Airways was about to disappear. Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriersand that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues."Now, in the eyes of the arbitrator, who had more to gain?

McCaskill-Bond rules now:

"Nothing in the text of the statute asks whether one of the merging carriers is bankrupt and about to vanish when the transaction closes. There's a good reason for the omission: this statute grew out of American Airlines' acquisition of Trans World Airlines, which was bankrupt and would have closed its doors had it not been acquired."

In short, financial condition under McCaskill-Bond has little if no value when merging seniority lists.... Unlike ALPA merger policy (at the time).

West losers.... Just keep arguing BS.

 

[luvthe9]

...I've updated the NIC with the west list of 1-1-14 but need the east numbers."

Good for you son, now you go and place that list right in the bottom of the bird cage, creative play day I take it, keep using your imagination.

 

[end_of_alpa]

That approach was already dealt with.   You are paying for the Cactuspilot.com website.  You should check it out sometime...
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_213-5_USAPA_%20Exhibits_Tabs_6-8.pdf
 

BOOM!

 

[luvthe9]

Can't play anymore, have to stock up for the game tomorrow wife says I waste to much time here. You kids play nice now.

 

[Pi brat]

Let's get something straight for all the lurkers right now.

The West did not write the Nicolau award. The Nic is not a West scam.

But, the intentional forcing of separate ops, in violation of the former TA. The intentional stealling of West jobs through the SCAB union, well, those are the east SCABs....SCAM!

Had the Nic gone badly for the west and they then used the separate ratification provision of the TA, would it have been a scam?

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, the lottery ticket myth.

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They should br blaming Ferguson.

Try telling a West pilot furloughed as a result of the acquisition he won the lottery you stupid idiot.

 

[snapthis]

McCaskill-Bond rules now:

"Nothing in the text of the statute asks whether one of the merging carriers is bankrupt and about to vanish when the transaction closes. There's a good reason for the omission: this statute grew out of American Airlines' acquisition of Trans World Airlines, which was bankrupt and would have closed its doors had it not been acquired."

In short, financial condition under McCaskill-Bond has little if no value when merging seniority lists.... Unlike ALPA merger policy (at the time).

West losers.... Just keep arguing BS.

Let's see USAPA's list.

Let's put it up against the Nic and the courts can have something to compare.

What's the holdup?
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[snapthis]

 

Oh, the lottery ticket myth.

deadhorse.gif

They should br blaming Ferguson.

Try telling a West pilot furloughed as a result of the acquisition he won the lottery you stupid idiot.

"..........."

 

[Pi brat]

 

"..........."

Placed inside the quote. Your furloughed should blame Ferguson.

 

[snapthis]

 

Placed inside the quote. Your furloughed should blame Ferguson.

 
The quote function sometimes does not work as advertised. I understand.

West pilots have thanked Ferguson and continue to do so in the form of financial support to Leonidas.

A friendly reminder what that support gives us in return. A hammer...

"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American wil assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots.
In sum, USAPA must accept that the time has finally come to resolve the East/West dispute. We believe it is in the interest of all US Airways pilots, both East and West, that it happen before APA takes over, when it will then be up to APA to resolve this issue in a fair and equitable manner. The West Pilots, therefore, urge USAPA to proceed in the manner proposed herein. Nothing contained in this letter is a waiver of the West Pilots’ rights to appeal Judge
Silver’s ruling.
We look forward to an early, positive response.
Very Truly Yours,
Marty Harper"