2014 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Jesus you are dumb. Yeah, negotiations are going so well Jess put out an "update" crying about how bad it's going. And that's just for discussions on SLI protocols, we haven't even got to the SLI negotiations. April Usapa is pushing up daisies. End game for you and your circus friends Jamie. You voted for APA with the MOU, nice job moron.

Everything going to be okay!

 

[flyer63]

I just read Schoppaul's message for BPR Chairman. I'd like to see him shake things up a bit. If we can't send Sheriff Joe out there, let's send Dave. 😉
From David Schoppaul, candidate for Phoenix BPR Chairman:
Fellow pilots,
Some would like us all to believe the NIC will NOT be implemented as we thought post-MOU (Memorandum Of Understanding); however, the SLI (seniority list integration) dispute is NOT over although it is true the honorable Judge Silver has made decisions that will continue the delay of its implementation. While the decisions are not what we wanted to hear, they are NOT detrimental to our cause. I have strong faith in our system and trust that we will still prevail. That said, it will require effort, leadership, and perseverance while we work through the process of an appeal to the 9th circuit, a joint CBA (collective bargaining agreement), and McCaskill Bond arbitration, etc.
It is vitally important that we continue to remain unified and supportive of each other, and that includes financial support of Leonidas LLC. It also includes VOTING for leadership with the fortitude to utilize tools that were designed to assist and protect labor's rank and file from the devastating effects of organized crime within unions. Utilizing those tools will require more than just legal action: It will require a total grass roots movement!
Our rights are protected under Federal law and the Constitution. It is up to us to use these rights, otherwise they will be forfeited and the current activity and culture that has done us so much harm will prevail and prosper, ultimately leading to career and corporate devastation as history has shown time and again.
My plan is as follows:
Establish an electronic phone tree in order to build our numbers in VDR (Visual Display Of Resolve) deployments that are known to increase the probability model of "Get out the VOTE" etc. Over the last six years, Phoenix hasn't had one VDR outside of Leonidas' activities.
VDR directives such as (but not limited to) petitioning the DOL (Department of Labor) and the OLMS (Office of Labor Management Standards) to investigate accounting anomalies and questionable accounting practices.
Exercise LMRDA (Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act) rights including the right to a forensic accounting of USAPA's books. I will lobby for an experienced CPA fraud investigator.
Initiate resolve demonstrations such as PPP (Picket, Petition and Protest) in numbers when it is critical to impact the probability model in our favor.
Use volunteer recruitment and support which are the very backbone of union success.
Establish a "think tank" of proven talent within our ranks and NOT allow emotions to steer our debates. We need clear, honest, and open strategies that are professional and proven. All options are open for debate except any unprofessional or mischievous conduct that negatively impacts our passengers and our new company. Our success depends on a healthy productive culture. I was trained by Delta Airlines Strike Preparedness Committee and can provide statistical data that supports this concept.
My background and accomplishments include:
1989 "Real" Eastern Air Lines striking pilot with SPC and FA volunteer experience.
C-62 Strike Preparedness Committee.
First USAPA Presidential candidate. I was denied ballot entry because I was a West pilot. I then successfully initiated a Department Of Labor Office of Labor Management Standards Federal investigation that resulted in a federal "raid" on the USAPA headquarters when they refused to cooperate with the investigation. The result was a USAPA Presidential election rerun. I was offered $25,000 to drop my campaign: I adamantly refused. I also refused to cower to threats and intimidation tactics by Date Of Hire supporters.
During my election campaign it was disclosed to me that the “Brain Child” of USAPA was a pilot named Davis who was also a CPA and attorney. He was allegedly behind the firing of Ballot Point and then the set up of a fictitious company to conduct the election through a server set up in a trailer park in Charlotte that was designed to attach viruses to any candidate the East Leadership did not want elected…including my election material. The campaign literature would have been treated as SPAM and blocked by anti virus software. The desired result would have been a candidate's message would NOT have been heard. I contacted the Department Of Labor Office of Labor Management Standards and initiated another Federal investigation. I gave a deposition to Federal investigators. I protested the election with the eventual result of Ballot Point being re-established as our election provider, and rules that included counters of sent mail and opened mail. Another result is that Mr. Davis came under federal scrutiny and is now serving a ten year prison sentence for tax evasion. His conviction is ultimately unrelated to this allegation, yet this was a "shine the light" event.
During the MOU PHX presentation, USAPA President Gary Hummel asked to speak with me privately. He stated my petitioning for investigations was causing the "curtains coming down on USAPA and they are burning" and to please stop. I stated that I absolutely would NOT. I replied to him that he had run as a moderate, yet kept committee chairs that were appointed by Mike Cleary that were known to have created a hostile work environment for West pilots, and those facts told me exactly who he was. Even now USAPA continues the hostile work environment strategy with the appointment of a Mr. Taylor to Pilot To Pilot. Mr Taylor is the focus of a Federal investigation for allegedly creating a hostile work environment against West pilots and the investigation is ongoing. I have proven strategies and tactics/tools to counter this unprofessional threat.
I could go on and on about countering the unprofessional and potentially illegal activity which West pilots have been subjected to. The bottom line is I had the intestinal fortitude to be proactive in initiating Federal involvement by exercising my federally protected rights. I consider this to be my strongest point in this election. I also believe the present USAPA leadership plan is to use the six million of our dues money to conduct unprofessional mischief and frivolous legal filings in order to continue the quest for Date Of Hire after they are no longer our bargaining agent. This is illegal and I will take immediate actions to secure prosecutions.

Seems like an angry nut case to me...

 

[Claxon]

Mystery phone calls, ID theft, smelly plot.


I was reminded of comic book written by USAPA that nobody bought.

😉

Your retort is in line with the america west argument to date, gibberish. 

 

[dca319]

At least some of us in the east get it.


USAPAWATCH.COM published a new post entitled "Resigned" on 2/3/2014 1:51:32 PM, written by TheEye.
Resigned

In an interesting twist to USAPA’s pyrrhic victory, we learned that the west members of the USAPA merger committee proffered their thirty day resignation notices last Friday. We think this was a great move.

Let’s back up and and review USAPA’s dilemma following Judge Silver’s ruling last month.

First, USAPA will not have a seat at the table during the upcoming single list proceedings with American. In fact, as we wrote about in our last entry, USAPA will likely be removed as the bargaining agent for the US Airways pilots in the very near future. What might survive is a merger committee comprised of east pilots. The status of the former USAPA merger committee will be entirely up to the APA and whether their status can be agreed upon in the ongoing merger protocol negotiations. What is key here is that even if the former east pilots have their own merger committee, it will not exist under the auspices of USAPA. Why? Because USAPA will soon cease to exist.

Second, Judge Silver did not remove the DFR liability from any of the current bargaining agents or the company in her Order. All she did was rule that the MOU was not a breach of DFR because it is seniority neutral. Judge Silver ruled in line with the prior ripeness ruling from the 9th Circuit. This is key because USAPA, the APA, and the company are still subject to a DFR claim by the west pilots should the Nicolau Award not be used in the upcoming integration.

In its latest communication, USAPA declared that “At this time, nothing more has been decided beyond our conclusion that the unmodified Nicolau list is not an option.” In this statement USAPA is very clear that they intend to violate its DFR. In this context, we wholeheartedly agree with the resignation of the west merger committee members. There was no room for them to stay when the committee and the union loudly proclaimed their intent to use their majority to dictate seniority terms to the minority.

The irony is that USAPA is demanding a fair integration in the upcoming integration, yet they are using their current majority to dictate the terms of the last integration to the minority west group. It is no wonder that the APA filed for single carrier status immediately following Judge Silver’s Order. She clealy wrote that USAPA cannot and has no intention of fairly representing the west pilots.

The good news is that we are confident a fair process will be initiated once USAPA ceases to exist. Please note that we are not saying the east pilots will not have access to a fair process and a seat at the table. We are confident all parties will have a seat at the table once the APA is the bargaining agent.

In that context- bravo to the west merger committee members. They truly understand how the future is unfolding.

 

[EastUS1]

Did you have a DNA test done on every West pilot..........?
 

 
Hmm...That's not at all a bad idea in some cases. That could at least determine the actual species being dealt with. 😉

 

[snapthis]

Thanks to the easties who voted for the MOU- you screwed yourselves out of a union.
Remember- the MOU is seniority neutral and it establishes the APA as the single union for ALL pilots of the new Amerucan.
Guess Syzmanski missed that part... Lol
Oh well- in about two months he can get another job.
Usapa is about to be Usapa'd 😀

You know, they could see if the Teamsters might bail em out.

Another one of Cleary's ventures that went belly up. 😉

"Teamster Merger Attempt
Since its inception, USAPA leadership has flirted with the Teamsters to provide representational services. An alliance was formed shortly after the election to align the goals of the Airline Division and USAPA. After the Temporary Injunction was issued by Judge Conrad, many BPR members and outside supporters such as USAPA founder Steve Bradford supported a full merger with the Teamsters.

USAPA President Mike Cleary appointed an ad-hoc committee to study the feasibility of a merger and the impact it would have on the date-of-hire objective. Teamster Airline Division President David Bourne told USAPA that the Nicolau Award would be inherited and could not be overturned.

Before the issue could ever move forward, Teamster President James Hoffa Jr. wrote a letter to Mike Cleary declining a merger at this time citing other organizing obligations. It is widely believed that Hoffa did not want to involve the Teamsters before a joint contract with the Nicolau could be implemented. Hoffa was also concerned that a possible deal with American Airlines would cause the property to leave his organization for the larger Allied Pilots Association (APA) once the merger was consummated."

 

[nycbusdriver]

... offered 25000 dollars to walk away.  ...

 
Though I don't believe this for a New York second, I began to wonder if he was thinking in "Davy dollars," and not real dollars.

 

[Pi brat]

At least some of us in the east get it.


USAPAWATCH.COM published a new post entitled "Resigned" on 2/3/2014 1:51:32 PM, written by TheEye.
Resigned

In an interesting twist to USAPAs pyrrhic victory, we learned that the west members of the USAPA merger committee proffered their thirty day resignation notices last Friday. We think this was a great move.

Lets back up and and review USAPAs dilemma following Judge Silvers ruling last month.

First, USAPA will not have a seat at the table during the upcoming single list proceedings with American. In fact, as we wrote about in our last entry, USAPA will likely be removed as the bargaining agent for the US Airways pilots in the very near future. What might survive is a merger committee comprised of east pilots. The status of the former USAPA merger committee will be entirely up to the APA and whether their status can be agreed upon in the ongoing merger protocol negotiations. What is key here is that even if the former east pilots have their own merger committee, it will not exist under the auspices of USAPA. Why? Because USAPA will soon cease to exist.

Second, Judge Silver did not remove the DFR liability from any of the current bargaining agents or the company in her Order. All she did was rule that the MOU was not a breach of DFR because it is seniority neutral. Judge Silver ruled in line with the prior ripeness ruling from the 9th Circuit. This is key because USAPA, the APA, and the company are still subject to a DFR claim by the west pilots should the Nicolau Award not be used in the upcoming integration.

In its latest communication, USAPA declared that At this time, nothing more has been decided beyond our conclusion that the unmodified Nicolau list is not an option. In this statement USAPA is very clear that they intend to violate its DFR. In this context, we wholeheartedly agree with the resignation of the west merger committee members. There was no room for them to stay when the committee and the union loudly proclaimed their intent to use their majority to dictate seniority terms to the minority.

The irony is that USAPA is demanding a fair integration in the upcoming integration, yet they are using their current majority to dictate the terms of the last integration to the minority west group. It is no wonder that the APA filed for single carrier status immediately following Judge Silvers Order. She clealy wrote that USAPA cannot and has no intention of fairly representing the west pilots.

The good news is that we are confident a fair process will be initiated once USAPA ceases to exist. Please note that we are not saying the east pilots will not have access to a fair process and a seat at the table. We are confident all parties will have a seat at the table once the APA is the bargaining agent.

In that context- bravo to the west merger committee members. They truly understand how the future is unfolding.

They are no more east than you are.

 

[nevergiveup]

At least some of us in the east get it.


USAPAWATCH.COM published a new post entitled "Resigned" on 2/3/2014 1:51:32 PM, written by TheEye.
Resigned

In an interesting twist to USAPA’s pyrrhic victory, we learned that the west members of the USAPA merger committee proffered their thirty day resignation notices last Friday. We think this was a great move.

Let’s back up and and review USAPA’s dilemma following Judge Silver’s ruling last month.

First, USAPA will not have a seat at the table during the upcoming single list proceedings with American. In fact, as we wrote about in our last entry, USAPA will likely be removed as the bargaining agent for the US Airways pilots in the very near future. What might survive is a merger committee comprised of east pilots. The status of the former USAPA merger committee will be entirely up to the APA and whether their status can be agreed upon in the ongoing merger protocol negotiations. What is key here is that even if the former east pilots have their own merger committee, it will not exist under the auspices of USAPA. Why? Because USAPA will soon cease to exist.

Second, Judge Silver did not remove the DFR liability from any of the current bargaining agents or the company in her Order. All she did was rule that the MOU was not a breach of DFR because it is seniority neutral. Judge Silver ruled in line with the prior ripeness ruling from the 9th Circuit. This is key because USAPA, the APA, and the company are still subject to a DFR claim by the west pilots should the Nicolau Award not be used in the upcoming integration.

In its latest communication, USAPA declared that “At this time, nothing more has been decided beyond our conclusion that the unmodified Nicolau list is not an option.” In this statement USAPA is very clear that they intend to violate its DFR. In this context, we wholeheartedly agree with the resignation of the west merger committee members. There was no room for them to stay when the committee and the union loudly proclaimed their intent to use their majority to dictate seniority terms to the minority.

The irony is that USAPA is demanding a fair integration in the upcoming integration, yet they are using their current majority to dictate the terms of the last integration to the minority west group. It is no wonder that the APA filed for single carrier status immediately following Judge Silver’s Order. She clealy wrote that USAPA cannot and has no intention of fairly representing the west pilots.

The good news is that we are confident a fair process will be initiated once USAPA ceases to exist. Please note that we are not saying the east pilots will not have access to a fair process and a seat at the table. We are confident all parties will have a seat at the table once the APA is the bargaining agent.

In that context- bravo to the west merger committee members. They truly understand how the future is unfolding.

In the event any west pilot is upset with the list delivered on March 9, 2014, they can blame the two that resigned from the merger committee. Never give up! (and they did) 

 

[PullUp]

If I were a west pilot I would be very upset that I now don't have any direct representation on the NAC.
Is this a scheme to set up another lawsuit? Resign and Whine that USAPA didn't represent me??
Taken to it's illogical extreme, maybe the west BPR members and the entirety of the west membership should resign from USAPA so they can claim a DFR due to no representation.
Sheesh, those grapes are sour.

 

[nic4us]

If I were a west pilot I would be very upset that I now don't have any direct representation on the NAC.
Is this a scheme to set up another lawsuit? Resign and Whine that USAPA didn't represent me??
Taken to it's illogical extreme, maybe the west BPR members and the entirety of the west membership should resign from USAPA so they can claim a DFR due to no representation.
Sheesh, those grapes are sour.

Good morning east SCABs.

Yes, the West is very upset we do not have any direct representation on the Merger Committee. I believe that is a different committee than the NAC.

But, hey, when the SCAB president insist that you can be on a committee as along as you do not actually represent your constituents, well then the only option is to resign and let the SCABs play with themselves in their final hours.


Enjoy your fake union and pretend committees while they last. There is a "fair and equitable" seniority list, already accepted by the company and status quo at LCC coming to a SLI involving you in the near future!

 

[nic4us]

The WEST in a "NUTSHELL" pun intended!

You are, without a doubt, the best east poster on this board!

That was concise and humorous.

BTW, I am thinking the West might just elect the "goat man", just to Fudge with you scabs in your final hours.

 

[nic4us]

In the event any west pilot is upset with the list delivered on March 9, 2014, they can blame the two that resigned from the merger committee. Never give up! (and they did)

Frankly SCAB, the West does not care what the list the fake union delivers.

unless of course, uscaba has an 11th hour epiphany and delivers the Nic. Any other "proposal" the fake union tenders will be summarily dismissed by the players left standing after SCS.

 

[Piedmont1984]

There's a difference between a 3 way negotiation and starting negotiations with 3 lists. If our MC submits the two lists currently in effect here and then begins to explore various possible integration formulas with the APA MC, then the process remains seniority neutral, similar to the MOU. Process precedes product. No proposed seniority list means no DFR. Develop and agree to a fair and equitable formula first, then only at the end apply the formula to the 3 lists. In the meantime, the MC can honestly claim that no proposed list exists. Only when the process is complete can the final product be judged on its merits as meeting the fair and equitable, wide range of reasonableness and LUP standards.

OTOH, if APA is stalling and does not really want a negotiated settlement and seeks to run the table, then that's a different problem. We should have a better picture this week.

 

[nic4us]

Though I don't believe this for a New York second, I began to wonder if he was thinking in "Davy dollars," and not real dollars.

And why should you believe it...your head is so far up your sphincter you taste last nights dinner of Cleary cakes and Hummel gravy.

Bottom line, the "goat man" forced a second presidential election because of the illegal activity at the SCAB union. He also caused a federal investigation and raid of SCAB headquarters.

That is an undeniable fact. The SCABs had to rerun the election, at a cost of like $200,000. Way to go "goat man"! Now let's see what other SCABs he can get sent to the big house like the income tax fraud guy.