2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

I don't think we should interrupt them at this point.....they are in the middle of producing their next video celebrating their victory in court. In fact I think the title will be "Victory In Court" with the music from Victory at Sea!
 
All the best,
 
Bob

 
Points taken Bob, save for the Victory at Sea reference, senior Brother. These "spartans" are largely too young to have any notions of such. For any War documentary ever made? = BEST music alone, and one of the finest productions EVER! 🙂
 
I'd guess the westie's next attempt has to include many more "dire wolves", perhaps even some dragons this time, and "Ride of the Valkyries",  at the very least. 😉
 
Umm...no undue offence to "you'se" westies, of course...just "Click to Donate"...Well...unless "you'se" ever gain even the slightest, viable sentience, or otherwise, just plain (and somehow magically) GROW UP!...And, with observable behavioral data back to 2007?..Lotsa' luck with that ever happening. 🙂

 

[A320 Driver]

Before everyone gets too smug about it, they had better read the verdict. There is enough peril going forward to make anyone wonder what round three looks like. USAPA now has a duty to craft a list, form a consensus, negotiate with the West pilots....whatever is necessary to represent the pilot group as a whole. Base protections, seat protections and access to growth are a start IMO.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I don't think we should interrupt them at this point.....they are in the middle of producing their next video celebrating their victory in court. In fact I think the title will be "Victory In Court" with the music from Victory at Sea!
 
All the best,
 
Bob

Same to you, Bob. The only music Westicles know is the "rap crap" that spreads profanity and hate masquerading as humor. As you know we have seen their infantile activities from day one. We tried to reach out to them early on and they HATED East pilots. They even put stickers on their bags until Schereff got fired and the chief pilots had to tell Westicles to remove scab stickers from their bags. Be patient Bob, they'll be back with some additional "chants" now trying to spin it to scare us again.

I hate to GLOAT be I am going to, again, repeat myself: I TOLD YOU WESTICLES SO!

 

[EastUS1]

form a consensus, negotiate with the West pilots.

 
Then put your kneepads on and get back to us after you try to "form a consensus" with such hopelessly infantile idiots. If you've anything of cognitive value to seriously offer, well..I'm all ears. I've not previously thought or believed you an utter moron from your postings....but seriously? Do you now know anything about these childish, greed-soaked fools that the rest of us don't?
 
I tried to even discuss reality with them as far back as immediately post-nic 2007. What provides you even the slightest, ridiculous fantasy that they've magically "matured" since then? I've certainly seen NO/ZERO evidence of such....? I can't exist within Fantasyland. How do you do so? Were any rational "consensus" or had even the slightest fertile ground for "negotiations" been even, EVER remotely possible with these cretins?....It'd have long-since been reached....Period.
 
What possible reason should I/ANYone now have for even at all concerning myself/ourselves with some 1700 greedy, completely contemptible and utterly disgusting halfwits that couldn't force/get their way? What rational reason do you pretend for now concerning yourself?...Perhaps FEAR?...Of WHAT? Those pathetic creatures have, and will always, no matter what anyones says or does, take their greed-soaked, "best shots" at all of us...So just Fk 'em...Period! Their total numbers aren't much significant. Their legal "geniuses" have proven themselves complete fools. Their "leadership" is a laughable and utter JOKE!. Look to your/our OWN in this issue.
 
What kind of COMPLETE IDIOT EVER wishes to "negotiate" with a freshly defeated foe, lest for accepting terms of their surrender?
 
Just for fun though: Go ahead and tell us all how one could EVER even begin to have ANY semblance of rational discourse, much less "negotiate" with pathetic and literally insane cripples like THIS!?:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659&feature=c4-overview-vl

 

[end_of_alpa]

Before everyone gets too smug about it, they had better read the verdict. There is enough peril going forward to make anyone wonder what round three looks like. USAPA now has a duty to craft a list, form a consensus, negotiate with the West pilots....whatever is necessary to represent the pilot group as a whole. Base protections, seat protections and access to growth are a start IMO.

Ah, here comes the EAST spin. They have a duty to REPRESENT. NOT NEGOTIATE. I think YOU better read...THE ORDER.

" IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, a judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III. DATED this 10th day of January, 2014."

All the stuff before that is bilge water. THAT IS THE LAW. USAPA is free to continue the way they have been continuing all along.

 

[EastUS1]

Ah, here comes the EAST spin. They have a duty to REPRESENT. NOT NEGOTIATE. I think YOU better read...THE ORDER.

" IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court is directed to enter judgment in favor of Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, a judgment in favor of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on Count III. DATED this 10th day of January, 2014."

All the stuff before that is bilge water. THAT IS THE LAW. USAPA is free to continue the way they have been continuing all along.

 
Indeed.

 

[PullUp]

Before everyone gets too smug about it, they had better read the verdict. There is enough peril going forward to make anyone wonder what round three looks like. USAPA now has a duty to craft a list, form a consensus, negotiate with the West pilots....whatever is necessary to represent the pilot group as a whole. Base protections, seat protections and access to growth are a start IMO.

I think USAPA is on solid ground. There are west members on the NAC and west BPR reps. They are represented equally within the framework of our union's structure.
Their input will be heard and fed into the mix. 
If the Addington rebels don't like it, they may join the union and yell at their elected reps. That's what everyone else does. Equal.
Cheers.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I think USAPA is on solid ground. There are west members on the NAC and west BPR reps. They are represented equally within the framework of our union's structure.
Their input will be heard and fed into the mix. 
If the Addington rebels don't like it, they may join the union and yell at their elected reps. That's what everyone else does. Equal.
Cheers.

Thats the TRUTH of the issue. If Holmes and Stravers want to sandbag the merger process they better think again. Get your "bitchslap" here, boys and girls from AOL.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I for one do not wish to see this SLI with APA go to arbitration. Been there and have the horse hair T-shirt. Negotiation is better than arbitration. No more boxes of chocolate. The Merger Committee has asked for latitude in crafting a seniority proposal which (if necessary) is flexible and creative. If you trust the committee and have confidence in its members to protect our interests then lets let them conduct their business unfettered.

 

[EastUS1]

I for one do not wish to see this SLI with APA go to arbitration. Been there and have the horse hair T-shirt. Negotiation is better than arbitration. No more boxes of chocolate. The Merger Committee has asked for latitude in crafting a seniority proposal which (if necessary) is flexible and creative. If you trust the committee and have confidence in its members to protect our interests then lets let them conduct their business unfettered.

 
Agreed. Methinks Hummel's, at best, a very "weak sister" that doesn't even know/understand who TF he's working for, be it management, who's paying him, or the Pilots he's supposed to "represent", but it is what it is. I've never much put trust in ANY committee. I only trust results. Show me a respectable result....Period.
 
"I for one do not wish to see this SLI with APA go to arbitration." Agreed again.
 
"then lets let them conduct their business unfettered."...? What the hell's THAT actually mean '84?

 

[end_of_alpa]

I for one do not wish to see this SLI with APA go to arbitration. Been there and have the horse hair T-shirt. Negotiation is better than arbitration. No more boxes of chocolate. The Merger Committee has asked for latitude in crafting a seniority proposal which (if necessary) is flexible and creative. If you trust the committee and have confidence in its members to protect our interests then lets let them conduct their business unfettered.

If Holmes and Stravers quit AOL and actually quit the Nicolau Award altogether and pledge their support for the LEGAL provisions of the C & B to make this work then there is that possibility. Fence provisions work better than seniority juggling based on nefarious items like "career expectations" and "status and class" considering we don't have copilots anymore. Just stating the obvious.

 

[A320 Driver]

I for one do not wish to see this SLI with APA go to arbitration. Been there and have the horse hair T-shirt. Negotiation is better than arbitration. No more boxes of chocolate. The Merger Committee has asked for latitude in crafting a seniority proposal which (if necessary) is flexible and creative. If you trust the committee and have confidence in its members to protect our interests then lets let them conduct their business unfettered.

That would be new...
Reps just can't seem to stay out of the way when it comes to SLI. Had the Merger Committee been left alone to do their work in 2007, we wouldn't have had to deal with all this aggravation and expense just to keep NIC from burying us.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Reps just can't seem to stay out of the way when it comes to SLI.

 
Are they "supposed" to? Aren't Reps supposed to actually Represent the interests of their constituents? How would you have it go otherwise? While not one who would be personally stricken either way: "just to keep NIC from burying us." does seem to have been accomplished. Your point?

 

[Piedmont1984]

 
"then lets let them conduct their business unfettered."...? What the hell's THAT actually mean '84?

Once the protocol agreement is inked and the committee has engaged their counterparts in earnest, then hands off. No micro managing, no weekly BPR resolutions with the intent of conducting merger negotiations by proxy, no second guessing. If you don't like the committee composition then let's fix it now. Once they've sailed .....

'84

 

[EastUS1]

Once the protocol agreement is inked and the committee has engaged their counterparts in earnest, then hands off. No micro managing, no weekly BPR resolutions with the intent of conducting merger negotiations by proxy, no second guessing. If you don't like the committee composition then let's fix it now. Once they've sailed .....

'84

 
Understood then, and thanks for the reply. We differ in wishing the line guys/gals, or their Reps, to ever be taken completely out of the equation at any point, if I'm correctly getting your notions here. No matter, since neither of us is "running the show".