2014 Pilot Discussion

[electricjet98]

I would assume if the APA screwed EVERY SINGLE pilot group they EVER had an integration with, I'm thinking it's a safe assumption... But maybe they are scared of the West and will play fair for the first time in their entire existence. Again... I'm skeptical...

Wouldn't you also say that APA did a pretty good job of fulfilling their obligation of DFR to the pilots that they represented?

Absolutely they did! That's their job. Take care of their membership and fight for the best integration for their side.

 
 
Being that APA DID NOT have a DFR obligation to the pilot groups you mentioned in the first quote above and that they will for the first time have a DFR obligation to the pilots they are now merging with...why do you assume that APA will suddenly NOT respect their obligation of DFR to the pilots they are legally obligated to? Why do you assume that APA dwells in the same gutter of irresponsibility and moral decadence that USAPA thrives in?

 

[luvthe9]

Tell me why you did not want the NIC again...........



We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave O’Dell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldn’t get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that.

 

[flyingskier]

Being that APA DID NOT have a DFR obligation to the pilot groups you mentioned in the first quote above and that they will for the first time have a DFR obligation to the pilots they are now merging with...why do you assume that APA will suddenly NOT respect their obligation of DFR to the pilots they are legally obligated to? Why do you assume that APA dwells in the same gutter of irresponsibility and moral decadence that USAPA thrives in?

Have you heard about the American TWA merger and the resulting federal law?

Skier

 

[flyingskier]

Mark your calendars for December 2015. That's when you might have a glimpse of what happened.
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By that time I'll have another 1000 new hires below me and I'll be holding a group 2 cap block! Thanks Res, I'll mark my calendar. Meanwhile out west you can count on no new hires and guaranteed stagnation, hey it's only another 20 months away...

Skier

 

[electricjet98]

Have you heard about the American TWA merger and the resulting federal law?

Skier

Have you heard that the APA did not have a DFR obligation to the TWA pilots? Have you heard that the TWA pilots did successfully pursue and win a DFR lawsuit against the party that did have a DFR liability to them? Have you heard that we all voted to accept a timeline that accepts USAPA demise and APA shouldering responsibility of DFR to all pilots?

 

[Phoenix]

.. Mark your calendars for December 2015. That's when you might have a glimpse of what happened.

 
 
December 2015....?  Nearly two years from now...?
 
You and Prechil need to get together and coordinate the timeline.    Two years is a long time to wait.   You are gonna hurt Liberty Necktie sales.  

 

[algflyr]

Have you heard that the APA did not have a DFR obligation to the TWA pilots? Have you heard that the TWA pilots did successfully pursue and win a DFR lawsuit against the party that did have a DFR liability to them? Have you heard that we all voted to accept a timeline that accepts USAPA demise and APA shouldering responsibility of DFR to all pilots?

 
I would prefer the union of which I am a member going into the merger represent me in a SLI with the APA. That's the way it works... Their union represents them, ours represents us.
 
And you speak of us voting to accept USAPA's demise and APA shouldering responsibility of DFR... Umm... gonna call BS on that one. 
 
Please tell me where in the MOU does it say the APA will be responsible for the SLI for pilots on both sides? Be specific please. I've read the entire MOU many times and I can find NOWHERE does it even imply that thought... Nowhere. You made the claim, please back it up... 

 

[electricjet98]

Look at the timeline. It may not specifically spell it out but certainly allows for it...and nothing in the MOU prevents it.

 

[luvthe9]

December 2015....?  Nearly two years from now...?
 
You and Prechil need to get together and coordinate the timeline.    Two years is a long time to wait.   You are gonna hurt Liberty Necktie sales.

True but they now have nice T shirts.

 

[luvthe9]

Look at the timeline. It may not specifically spell it out but certainly allows for it...and nothing in the MOU prevents it.

You guys worry to much you will be well represented, Wilder is on top of it. The APA is not your friend.

 

[traderjake]

APA may not be their friend, USAPA was proven that it is their enemy.

 

[luvthe9]

APA may not be their friend, USAPA was proven that it is their enemy.

Hey, they fired the first shot I sense a Wye River 2 coming, hope Wilson gets his act together.

 

[electricjet98]

Hey, they fired the first shot I sense a Wye River 2 coming, hope Wilson gets his act together.

Rewrite history often enough and even you may start to believe it.

 

[luvthe9]

Rewrite history often enough and even you may start to believe it.

The only thing you need to know about history is the NIC, should have taken it when it was offered, now really wouldn't you like to come fly the 330 or upgrade. All you kids do is bang your head against the wall and throw these little tantrums (Res comes to mind), at least some of your guys are starting to realize how much your losing.

 

[electricjet98]

The only thing you need to know about history is the NIC, should have taken it when it was offered, now really wouldn't you like to come fly the 330 or upgrade. All you kids do is bang your head against the wall and throw these little tantrums (Res comes to mind), at least some of your guys are starting to realize how much your losing.

Those that offered any kind of compromise lacked any authority or ability to guarantee anything. If you've taught us anything, it is that your word is worthless.