2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

 
The west list will be presented along with the jobs being brought to the table.  Negotiated, or arbitrated, the SLI will undoubetdly be a slotted list, essentially by seat and equipment.  There may be some nod to LOS, but who know knows.  
 
It just will not be egregiously unfair as was the Nicolau abomination. 

 
What you describe is basically what Nicolau did.

 

[luvthe9]

What you describe is basically what Nicolau did.

Not even close. What a stupid comment.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Yup, they missed that part about being decertified. l:

The West missed the part about being irrelevant - it happens.

 

[luvthe9]

Did you miss this part?
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.
Nicok
Nutjob

Poor JJ, your on the delusional meltdown, Fodase ring a bell or was that you too.

 

[Phoenix]

What you describe is basically what Nicolau did.

Sure, Nic did that for pilots below the top 500 and above the bottom 2,000.

A class and status merger now (of all pilots) would be much different, after ten years of medicals and retirements, and 10,000 more pilots in the mix that are about the same age and LOS.

But then again maybe the arbitrators will be persuaded to use a 2005 snapshot for constructive notice of the merger.

Just think, if Nic had raped just a couple hundred less pilots, USAPA would have never been.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Did you miss this part?


"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."

Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.

Nicok
Nutjob

That's you're handlers opinion.  But, as of yet, they're batting 0 in Federal District Court.

 

[traderjake]

Not even close. What a stupid comment.

 
What a stupid comment.
 
Anyone biting on DOH with "nice protections"?

 

[snapthis]

APA SLI update


The recent execution of the Merger Protocol Agreement, followed by the National Mediation Board's certification of APA as the collective bargaining agent for all American Airlines pilots, formally begins the seniority integration process.

In accordance with the Merger Protocol Agreement, members of the preliminary arbitration board and the three-member arbitration board have been selected. A date for the preliminary arbitration board to convene has not yet been set. Once it has convened, the preliminary arbitration board will rule on whether the US Airways West pilots will be represented by an independent merger committee in the seniority integration process.

Each merger committee will advocate for its respective pilots' interests. Under the terms of the Merger Protocol Agreement, the seniority list integration will be submitted to the arbitration board for resolution, in accordance with federal legislation known as McCaskill-Bond. The merger committees may choose to continue negotiating while the arbitration board conducts its deliberations.

APA has a legal duty of fair representation for all American Airlines pilots. As stated in the Merger Protocol Agreement, "APA shall not interfere in the deliberations and decision making of the Merger Committees." This precludes any involvement of the APA leadership in the respective committees, which will act autonomously. APA will provide administrative and logistical support but will exert no operational control over the committees.

As part of our duty to represent all American Airlines pilots, APA will maintain strict neutrality during the seniority integration process, similar to the arbitration in 2013 regarding the downsizing in STL and related contractual provisions. Any and all communications regarding the progress of the negotiations and/or the arbitration will be the responsibility of the respective committees. APA updates will be limited to information regarding the timetable for various events related to seniority integration.

 

[luvthe9]

What a stupid comment.
 
Anyone biting on DOH with "nice protections"?

Still afraid to upgrade I see, nobody in their right mind would not take an upgrade with a big merger coming up.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
What a stupid comment.
 
Anyone biting on DOH with "nice protections"?

So why are you afraid of DOH? It works well everywhere else. Just askn.

 

[Phoenix]

APA SLI update
....Under the terms of the Merger Protocol Agreement, the seniority list integration will be submitted to the arbitration board for resolution,...

 
 
The status quo of three lists will not be submitted to the board for resolution.  Ask Marty Harper what that means, and as a follow up ask him if you can have your money back.  

 

[traderjake]

Still afraid to upgrade I see, nobody in their right mind would not take an upgrade with a big merger coming up.

 
The only thing I'm afraid of are horses, clowns, and Captains with chicken grease on their shirts. 

 

[EastCheats]

USAPA missed the part about being irrelevant - it happens.

I agree.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Not even close. What a stupid comment.

You'd know about that. You demonstate it daily.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Self appointed, unelected "reps" will be representing you in the preliminary arbitration panel in hopes of being awarded the right, but not the responsibility, to represent the West in the SLI arbitration.. Good luck!!

If they lose the prelim arb your appeal at the 9th is dead in the water and there is no one to sue for anything... If they win you will learn three things... 1) your appeal at the 9th is dismissed and there is no one left to sue for anything, 2) the meaning of "status quo" excludes Nic, and 3) it sucks to enter arbitration from the least profitable hub.
 

The fact that you attempt to deride our Merger Committee members warms my heart.
 
And as for your prognostications about what we'll "learn" if we win the preliminary arbitration -- well, let's just recall that after the Addington 1 trial was overturned y'all pontificated that it was as if it never happened.  So here we are, on the cusp of pleading our case without interference from the carcass of USAPA.  And you still think the Nic is dead?  And you know what:  the APA actually had Nicolau on their list for the SLI.  Guess he ain't too old or senile yet.