2014 Pilot Discussion

[Keroseneuser]

If I were an AOL contributor I would have to look at it this way,
 
Judge Silver really dislikes USAPA for whatever reason,  her local in PHX, maybe she has a neighbor that is west, whatever......Now considering how much she dislikes USAPA she still could not find any legal reason for them to lose the case.   She could not find anything that invalidated the MOU, and she could not find any way to place the west as a third party to the SLI, and she could find no way to force the NIC.  
 
That means that she did the research and saw that anything she did in the above items would have been overturned upon appeal.  The MOU was voted on by all and passed by all with west representation involved in that process.   I think she saw that legally both sides voted to amend their positions and move on.
 
The fact that Silver clearly wanted to see USAPA lose as shown in her various statements in court and Dicta but could not legally find a way to make that happen tells volumes to somebody that may be considering sending more money for further litigation on the subject.   Whether they choose to see that point is a different story though.

 

[Phoenix]

If I were an AOL contributor I would have to look at it this way,
 
Judge Silver really dislikes USAPA for whatever reason,  her local in PHX, maybe she has a neighbor that is west, whatever......Now considering how much she dislikes USAPA she still could not find any legal reason for them to lose the case.   She could not find anything that invalidated the MOU, and she could not find any way to place the west as a third party to the SLI, and she could find no way to force the NIC.  
 
That means that she did the research and saw that anything she did in the above items would have been overturned upon appeal.  The MOU was voted on by all and passed by all with west representation involved in that process.   I think she saw that legally both sides voted to amend their positions and move on.
 
The fact that Silver clearly wanted to see USAPA lose as shown in her various statements in court and Dicta but could not legally find a way to make that happen tells volumes to somebody that may be considering sending more money for further litigation on the subject.   Whether they choose to see that point is a different story though.

You make a good argument. The political double speak is costing donators dearly.

If I were a West donator though I don't know who I would feel most cheated by... The AOL double speak has been bad and is getting worse but I am really disappointed in Silver... In essence she held a trial that she now essentially argues wasn't ripe, because she doesn't have a new seniority list to evaluate. almost even worse, she plainly admitted that she assumed USAPA had a duty to use the Nic (exactly what Wake was spanked for). What a premature collossal waste!

 

[EastUS1]

[SIZE=10pt]Enjoy your phallic victory girls. [/SIZE]

 
I'm thinking the term "you'se" were searching for there is "Pyrrhic"...unless you've some strange personal issues best shared with Res Judicata...? 😉

 

[Pi brat]

[SIZE=10pt]Well, well, well looky here...[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]The adults go on a hunting trip and the kids have a party. This place is a mess, beer cans all over the place, they bring the cheerleaders, ROACLT and Gorgeousgeorge. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]I've had a little catching up to do and read that other forum. It looks like Usapians are not getting much sympathy from pilots outside of US Trailways.[/SIZE]
 
 

[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
 
 

As usual, you left a lot out there. Especially the best posts! Anyway, here is one from a DL pilot that told you months ago that you would lose this:
 
"Well now that it's done, I'd like to restate what I posted a long time ago...FWIW. USAPA should present the two separate lists that are currently in use. The current west list and the current east list. Does USAPA have the power to present a date of hire list? Yes, but it would be foolish IMO. Nobody could successfully claim DFR by submitting lists that they are currently living with. East pilots would have the victory of never having the Nic implemented, but not the huge windfall of a date of hire list. West pilots would have the victory of not having date of hire jammed down their throats, but not the huge windfall of the unimplemented Nicolau award.

It will be an unwise overreach if USAPA tries to submit anything other than the two separate current lists. It will be an unwise waste of money if west pilots continue to sue for implementation of their unimplemented windfall."
 
You're not WD on there, are you?

 

[traderjake]

If I were a West donator though I don't know who I would feel most cheated by... The AOL double speak has been bad and is getting worse but I am really disappointed in Silver... In essence she held a trial that she now essentially argues wasn't ripe, because she doesn't have a new seniority list to evaluate. almost even worse, she plainly admitted that she assumed USAPA had a duty to use the Nic (exactly what Wake was spanked for). What a premature collossal waste!

 
 
For someone who claims inevitable victory you sure spend a lot of time begging the West to quit fighting.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
For someone who claims inevitable victory you sure spend a lot of time begging the West to quit fighting.

 
Permit me to assist you in your noble and "Honor"-saturated quest here trader. "Click to Donate"....SUCKERS! http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[CallawayGolf]

As usual, you left a lot out there. Especially the best posts! Anyway, here is one from a DL pilot that told you months ago that you would lose this:
 
"Well now that it's done, I'd like to restate what I posted a long time ago...FWIW. USAPA should present the two separate lists that are currently in use. The current west list and the current east list. Does USAPA have the power to present a date of hire list? Yes, but it would be foolish IMO. Nobody could successfully claim DFR by submitting lists that they are currently living with. East pilots would have the victory of never having the Nic implemented, but not the huge windfall of a date of hire list. West pilots would have the victory of not having date of hire jammed down their throats, but not the huge windfall of the unimplemented Nicolau award.
It will be an unwise overreach if USAPA tries to submit anything other than the two separate current lists. It will be an unwise waste of money if west pilots continue to sue for implementation of their unimplemented windfall."
 
You're not WD on there, are you?

Spot on analysis. +1 from me.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Well, well, well looky here...
 
The adults go on a hunting trip and the kids have a party. This place is a mess, beer cans all over the place, they bring the cheerleaders, ROACLT and Gorgeousgeorge.
 
I've had a little catching up to do and read that other forum. It looks like Usapians are not getting much sympathy from pilots outside of US Trailways.
 
 
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The judge ruled but she made it clear USAPA disgusted her. I think most in our profession are also disgusted with USAPA and their dishonorable behavior. An honorable person abides by their agreement. Although the East pilots are not scabs, they are a new form of pond scum in this profession that deserve our disdain
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NERD
+10000!!!!!!
Same question for you NERD, what is your position and background in this fight? What do you REALLY know about it?
 
 
 
 
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My position is as a airline pilot and union member. The east agreed to a process, didn't like the results and used mob rules to get what they wanted, or at least not what was the final ruling. I went thru a merger myself(NWA), didn't like the results as I'm sure many on the Delta side didn't. However, we (NWA & Delta) accepted the award and went forward with the results like professionals and adults. I have a feeling the east pilots would be doing just like the west has if the tables had been turned. Outside of your own group(east) I am pretty certain that the rest of the profession looks down on you.
 
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastie Pilot
Don't bother with junior ATL 88 pilot or Alaska guy. Those guys never spent a day in your shoes. They both have slanted opinions and they could care less about the facts of the case. It's easy to snipe from the sidelines. Personally I could give two craps what those guys think. Judge Silver ruled. AOL lost. End of story. Their little comments from the sidelines are like the sore losers that say "you guys suck" after their team loses a football game.
No -- their comments (including mine) come from the only pilots who are truly unbiased in this issue. We have nothing to gain from the decision regardless of outcome. And I have yet to see ANYONE who is truly on the outside who agrees with the East position.Your group will be forever looked down upon because of the travesty that has occurred. I may not agree with Nicolau's decision, but both you and the west guys turned it over to him, and agreed to accept the outcome....but then you reneged on that.
 
 
 
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Never mind them. They are comfortable in their addiction. "Must send money to Marty. Must send money to Marty. Must send money to Marty." It a vicious vortex. It is hopeless. But not to worry, its a free country and lawyers need to eat too.

Ok, so let me get this straight. For the last eight years the east pilots have done everything in their power to avoid implementation of the Nic award, including not getting a new contract. You guys have given up tens of thousands of dollars worth of raises!!! I'm a 75/76 FO and I make more than your A320 Captains. And you guys are criticizing the west pilots for helping to fund a lawsuit that fights your rope a dope, trickery?You guys need to sit down with a calculator and look at like equipment pay scales of your peers and get a grasp of the money you guys have urinated away over the years before being so vocal of your criticism for the West Pilots. The APA has got to be wondering what they've gotten into here.Good luck, all of you. Life is too short to spend bickering, gloating, and treating others this way on these boards.
 
 
 
Enjoy your phallic victory girls. Just a guess but AOL should have a nice surprise for y'all. Don't expect any olive branches just dove wrapped with bacon and with jalapeno's to add to the burn.
 
Dove season ends on the 20th in S Texas.
 
Y'all have fun.
 
Psst...End_of_ALPA, yea you in the blue lanyard. My pAAls at AA think you look like a dork.
 

Hey DODSON......NOBODY CARES.

 

[end_of_alpa]

As usual, you left a lot out there. Especially the best posts! Anyway, here is one from a DL pilot that told you months ago that you would lose this:
 
"Well now that it's done, I'd like to restate what I posted a long time ago...FWIW. USAPA should present the two separate lists that are currently in use. The current west list and the current east list. Does USAPA have the power to present a date of hire list? Yes, but it would be foolish IMO. Nobody could successfully claim DFR by submitting lists that they are currently living with. East pilots would have the victory of never having the Nic implemented, but not the huge windfall of a date of hire list. West pilots would have the victory of not having date of hire jammed down their throats, but not the huge windfall of the unimplemented Nicolau award.
It will be an unwise overreach if USAPA tries to submit anything other than the two separate current lists. It will be an unwise waste of money if west pilots continue to sue for implementation of their unimplemented windfall."
 
You're not WD on there, are you?

Why is DOH a windfall? If it is why can't the new hires then get integrated up with the thirty year guys. I sometimes wonder whether pilots really deserve any seniority list. I think it's better to suck up to the company and then let them decide who stays and who goes.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jamie is a dork.  His kids hate him too.

Your wife still sleeping around?

 

[end_of_alpa]

USAPA can propose anything it wants (maybe) during negotiations with APA but when this goes to arbitration USAPA will present an East and a West list.

We'll see. We'll see.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jamie is a dork.  His kids hate him too.

Hey, I bet you don't have the balls to say that to my face West retread.

 

[snapthis]

I'm thinking the term "you'se" were searching for there is "Pyrrhic"...unless you've some strange personal issues best shared with Res Judicata...? 😉

Actually, I found the word I was looking for, Phallic. It's symbolism.

I picture y'all as the symbol placed on your shoulders.

Yousapians have earned it amongst your peers in the industry.

Congrats!

 

[EastUS1]

Actually, I found the word I was looking for, Phallic. It's symbolism.
 

 
...And speaks of "you'se" having some strange personal issues, to say the very least, as does " [SIZE=10pt]Enjoy your phallic victory girls."[/SIZE]  With "I'm thinking the term "you'se" were searching for there is "Pyrrhic"...unless you've some strange personal issues best shared with Res Judicata...?", I was merely offering you a social kindess and understandable escape. The rest of your drivel, per usual, amounts to nothing more than the now-standard and fully predictable whining.
 
The sum value of your bombast's made more than evident by your posted fantasy: "[SIZE=10pt]Just a guess but [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]AOL[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] should have a nice surprise for y'all."[/SIZE] One must wonder how well such "assurance" will sell among even your most devoted donors. Have fun, and don't forget to "Click to Donate"....SUCKERS! http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jamie is a dork.  His kids hate him too.

Hey DCA congratulations on become part of the new AOL legal team. These arguments will definitely sway the 9th toward your side.