2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

Man they were right. Once it's on the internet it's on there forever. They don't make a tombstone small enough to write all the positive accomplishments Munn has done for his fellow man.

And you just have to wonder why Traitor worships the ground he walks on, I think we all know he has a terrible man crush on him.

 

[Res Judicata]

If you want to see what the Protocol Agreement between American, APA and USAPA will most likely resemble it will be this with three parties:  American, APA and USAPA.
 
(I hate to refer anything to Chip Munn's website but I couldn't get my copy to upload so you can just get it from the mouthpiece himself.)
 
 
FAPA Members, Attached is Arbitrator Eischen's ... - Unbiasedfacts.org

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on. Silver teed that one up brilliantly. When she said her patience had run out with you scabs she damn well meant it. Best of luck with your future self funded court battles trying to convince anyone that using the "powerful evidence of a fair result" is somehow a DFR violation.

APA could trade stapling the Nic to the bottom of their current list for Immediate parity. Is that an LUP? Seems like it is....apparently a union needs just a possible hint at having one to do as they please.

You scabs taught the Industry that one...you can bet the APA learned it well.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on. Silver teed that one up brilliantly. When she said her patience had run out with you scabs she damn well meant it. Best of luck with your future self funded court battles trying to convince anyone that using the "powerful evidence of a fair result" is somehow a DFR violation.

APA could trade stapling the Nic to the bottom of their current list for Immediate parity. Is that an LUP? Seems like it is....apparently a union needs just a possible hint at having one to do as they please.

You scabs taught the Industry that one...you can bet the APA learned it well.

You need help.  If you go to the ebenefitsus.com page you can locate a local Psychiatrist.
 
Do yourself a favor and lock up all your weapons and give someone else the key.

 

[700UW]

More:
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/22773-chip-munn-loses-in-lga/?hl=%2Bchip+%2Bmunn

 

[luvthe9]

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on. Silver teed that one up brilliantly. When she said her patience had run out with you scabs she damn well meant it. Best of luck with your future self funded court battles trying to convince anyone that using the "powerful evidence of a fair result" is somehow a DFR violation.
APA could trade stapling the Nic to the bottom of their current list for Immediate parity. Is that an LUP? Seems like it is....apparently a union needs just a possible hint at having one to do as they please.
You scabs taught the Industry that one...you can bet the APA learned it well.

Calm down son, accept the defeat join in the growth of our company. Your little group is hurting your senior pilots that want to get on with their careers. It's over son.

 

[Pi brat]

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on. Silver teed that one up brilliantly. When she said her patience had run out with you scabs she damn well meant it. Best of luck with your future self funded court battles trying to convince anyone that using the "powerful evidence of a fair result" is somehow a DFR violation.

APA could trade stapling the Nic to the bottom of their current list for Immediate parity. Is that an LUP? Seems like it is....apparently a union needs just a possible hint at having one to do as they please.

You scabs taught the Industry that one...you can bet the APA learned it well.

That's about the most logical thing you have ever posted and I think that is exactly how it will go. I mean, why would the APA worry about a DFR from the east if it can make the saintly west, like you, happy?
 
I'm thinking random drug testing is too random.

 

[Pi brat]

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on.

 
"10. a. A seniority integration process consistent with McCaskill-Bond shall begin as soon as possible
after the Effective Date. If, on the date ninety (90) days following the Effective Date, direct
negotiations have failed to result in a merged seniority list acceptable to the pilots at both airlines, a
panel of three neutral arbitrators will be designated within fifteen (15) days to resolve the dispute,
pursuant to the authority and requirements of McCaskill-Bond. That arbitration proceeding will
commence no later than 60 days after the designation of the arbitrators, or as soon thereafter as
practicable given the availability of the designated arbitrators, provided that it is understood that, in no
event, shall the seniority integration arbitration proceeding commence prior to final approval of the
JCBA pursuant to the deadlines and procedures in Paragraph 27 below. The panel of arbitrators will
render its award within six (6) months of the commencement of the arbitration, and in any event not
later than 24 months after the Effective Date."
 
"f. A Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement ("Protocol Agreement") consistent with
McCaskill-Bond and this Paragraph 10 will be agreed upon within 30 days of the Effective Date[extended by 30 days, I believe] The
Protocol Agreement will set forth the process and protocol for conducting negotiations and arbitration,
if applicable, and will include a methodology for allocating the reimbursement provided for in
Paragraph 7."
 
I'm kind of doubting single carrier status by then. It is the government after all.
 
You need a copy of the MOU you ratified? I'm guessing most of you never read it based on your overwhelming ratification of it. Just listen to AOL. I can email you a copy.

 

[Phoenix]

Calm down son, accept the defeat join in the growth of our company. Your little group is hurting your senior pilots that want to get on with their careers. It's over son.

It IS over for everyone who isn't donating to Ferggie and Koontz. This message board is in serious decline. Loa 93 is over. The Nic is dead. It's a new day... unless you send your pay raise to folks chasing a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Some folks will never be at peace with the "acceptance phase" and it will cost them a lot more than their pay raise.

 

[luvthe9]

It IS over for everyone who isn't donating to Ferggie and Koontz. This message board is in serious decline. Loa 93 is over. The Nic is dead. It's a new day... unless you send your pay raise to folks chasing a pot of gold at the end of ,.

Right on Phoenix, Plus we are getting crews meals! And don't forget to put your bids in, 50 widebody slots, massive growth out east, stagnation west caused by Ferguson and Koontz, these two have cost the west pilots dearly. Senior AWA pilots should sue AOL for damages to their career.

 

[Claxon]

Your fake union isn't even going to get a protocol agreement. Everyone will drag their feet until USAPA is killed off. That's the plan, cut out the cancer and let the body move on. Silver teed that one up brilliantly. When she said her patience had run out with you scabs she damn well meant it. Best of luck with your future self funded court battles trying to convince anyone that using the "powerful evidence of a fair result" is somehow a DFR violation.
APA could trade stapling the Nic to the bottom of their current list for Immediate parity. Is that an LUP? Seems like it is....apparently a union needs just a possible hint at having one to do as they please.
You scabs taught the Industry that one...you can bet the APA learned it well.

This is the Mark C. Doyal feed to Munn.
Now you know why that idiot Munn is always wrong. Doyal should be disbarred. He even claims he is an A320 Fighter Pilot on his LinkedIn page.

 

[prechilill]

In about three months our new CBA will take over. At that point, we (east and west) will have a CBA that doesn't have an issues with Nicolau- our new CBA will move forward with the least liability for us all
Nicolau
Let's all be good union pilots

 

[luvthe9]

In about three months our new CBA will take over. At that point, we (east and west) will have a CBA that doesn't have an issues with Nicolau- our new CBA will move forward with the least liability for us all
Nicolau
Let's all be good union pilots

Again will you be a good union pilot without the NIC?? Cupcake. We are all waiting for an answer.

 

[EastUS1]

This is the Mark C. Doyal feed to Munn.
...... He even claims he is an A320 Fighter Pilot on his LinkedIn page.

 
Be fair here! If anyone can even start with being some fantasized "spartan" and "knight", who's heroically "fought many battles with valor" like their mighty "Cap'n Aux"...well...anything's then "possible"...isn't it?...And the A320's well known to be a formidable weapons system, after all. 😉 With profuse apologies to all the APA folks, and a note that it ain't our fault from the east; here's what you've got to look forward to. Make especially sure to hand 'em 10-17 years of imaginary "seniority" over you all, feed 'em all a nice glass of milk and fluff their pillows for them at bed time, or they'll cry, throw tantrums and threaten you with lawyers, as well as to cross your picket lines at their pleasure. Plus; they even have T-shirts and "dire wolves"!  Enjoy!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659
 
If that's not bad enough, well, here's an accurate depiction of their true value in any encounter with management. Heck! There are even videos of one of their supposed "leaders" directly asking uppermost management if he/they should "turn in" other pilots...I kid you not! Last but hardly least; I can't even begin to count the "spartan" posters over the years who've proudly stated they'd scab at the first opportunity over this seniority debacle. I'll leave it to all to determine if such gleefull willingness to cross picket lines, exclusively for self-interested purposes, would, even could be limited to any single issue...?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSFvQ-0p2I

 

[Pi brat]

In about three months our new CBA will take over. At that point, we (east and west) will have a CBA that doesn't have an issues with Nicolau- our new CBA will move forward with the least liability for us all
Nicolau
Let's all be good union pilots

Of course they won't have problems with the Nicolau. By then it will be months since it was abandoned(your psuedo unions word) and that abandonment found to not be a DFR. Your current union will have presented it's listS. If the APA were to take over and submit an abandoned seniority list, one that doesn't meet the language of the MOU, then they will face a DFR challenge from the east pilots, just like USAPA did with you!

 

[snapthis]

Right on Phoenix, Plus we are getting crews meals! And don't forget to put your bids in, 50 widebody slots, massive growth out east, stagnation west caused by Ferguson and Koontz, these two have cost the west pilots dearly. Senior AWA pilots should sue AOL for damages to their career.

Don't worry about AOL, it wil remain in place long after USAPA is gone. Leonidas recently got a number of bonuses. That includes a $1000 check from Mitch. I remember some of you questioning his support. Well...there you have it.
 
Here's an estimate of what USAPA has cost all US Airways pilots. There has been some number crunching and most come to a similar conclusion. I picked the conservative estimate. I don't care for anything liberal, btw.
 
I do have formal education and experience in economic analysis
This result is based on conservative assumptions and therefore should be viewed as inaccurate and very likely lower than the actual number.
The result includes adjustment for the retro pay back to February 2013 and probable lost contributions to the 401K. The result does not assume any value loss or gain to the 401K. No adjustment for State or Federal Tax.
I will not explain how this result was achieved. No data was provided by the carrier.

The USAPA experiment has cost the US Airways Pilots $854,855,040.00.
The USAPA “gift” to the carrier would likely be north of this number. Very generous indeed.
 
Comments:
Any satisfaction might be...It cost the east more than us.
 
I for one would like to see the number. The Eastholes claim to be so proud of their "profession", I look forward to rubbing it in their faces. God forbid I ever have to fly with one, I'll put the $number on every piece of paper in the cockpit.
 
The sadest part is....is that seniority was settled, years ago, by and through an agreed upon, followed to the letter process. And those c---ks--kers did what they did and got us. Nothing we could do, except for what we did, due to their greater numbers. Life would have been different for many of us......Never, Ever, Ever forget!
 
I'll want to know why, when I'll have to fly with some Easthole, why I'm still so pissed at him/her.
 
I have no obligation to ever go out of my way for any of them. Nor will I consort with any of them. The harm they have caused is irreparable. They demonstrate no remorse, to the contrary, they are entitled. Just not entitled to the time of day from any of us.
 
Labor union leadership should be accountable for their policies and decisions. The membership pays the bill.
I am astonished that a collection a long standing labor union members (doesn’t matter the name of the union) would tolerate this level of failure to the membership. Yet….
Those directly responsible for the loss of this magnitude to the membership are actually holding leadership positions in a labor organization.
The exception being our (PHX) elected reps.

This money will never be recovered. Never.