2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

 
Go home east, you're drunk.

 
"You'se" wish. If that's truly the best "you'se" can even attempt in excuse for the lack of a mind or spine...well...it's understandable, as previously mentioned: "Pilot" certainly isn't a term that comes to mind." "You'se" were offered potential respect to be earned through a bit of recreational flying....and instead feel the need to continually prove yourself nothing more than a perpetual adolescent.  Have a nice night kid and Go "spartans!" 🙂
 
Oh!...I'd almost forgot. Click to Donate: http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Contributions/Leonidas_Contributions_OCT13.html
 
P.S. In full fairness....It afterwards occurred to me that the phrase "to be earned" must seem part of an entirely foreign language to any "spartans", so your evident confusion's now understood.

 

[snapthis]

LMFAO, I am sure your fight is not over, but your cause is.You might want to do a little homework and find out what "attorneys" actually wrote that legislation for the MB. Other than that a 10K check by every WEST pilot to Marty is the least you should do, hell double down 20k is a great start!

The Leonidas update is the good, bad and ugly.

I realize M&M's prefer polished turds.

I'm sure USAPA will satisfy your craving soon.

Sit tight. 😉

 

[im back..!!]

I just rereferenced the MOU for some timeline guidance. I attempted to copy certain sections, was unable. However here is the link to entire MOU in its entirity (19 pages)

http://media.nbcdfw.com/documents/APA+USAPA+MOU+JAN+2013.pdf

That said here is the timeline imcoming up with, in general.
Effective date: dec 9, 2013

SLI protocals by Jan 9, 2014 ( extended by mutual agreement to feb 7)

Section 10: if no agreed upon SLI by 90 days from effective date; March 9, 2014
It goes to Arbitration per Macskill/Bond.

Then it says we must have a JCBA prior to dealing with SLI arbitration.

SLI Arbitrators (3) have up to six monts to decide but not more than 24 months past effective date. Dec 9, 2015.

So, the way I read it, if we dont have a SLI agreement by March 9 (6 weeks from now) USAPA is no longer necessary, APA and the rest of the pilots will get an Arbitrated list. No questions, or input needed.

The Arbs might have questions, I assume who they ask will be able to respond to them, but the ceasing to be a part of the seniority integation judge Silver mentioned will effect all. Because it will be in the Arbitrators hands. The west, APA and East will all get whatever they give.

End of the saga is rapidly approaching. USAPA's job is effectively finished on March 9....

Also the MOU speaks of a "No Bump, No Flush". So, read'em and weep.... The equipment bids East, that is....

 

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Marty Harper PLLC proposal to USAPA. HUH?

I think I saw Ferguson and Holmes talking to Marty:


http://youtu.be/kyfriipc61A

 

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I just rereferenced the MOU for some timeline guidance. I attempted to copy certain sections, was unable. However here is the link to entire MOU in its entirity (19 pages)
http://media.nbcdfw.com/documents/APA+USAPA+MOU+JAN+2013.pdf
That said here is the timeline imcoming up with, in general.
Effective date: dec 9, 2013
SLI protocals by Jan 9, 2014 ( extended by mutual agreement to feb 7)
Section 10: if no agreed upon SLI by 90 days from effective date; March 9, 2014
It goes to Arbitration per Macskill/Bond.
Then it says we must have a JCBA prior to dealing with SLI arbitration.
SLI Arbitrators (3) have up to six monts to decide but not more than 24 months past effective date. Dec 9, 2015.
So, the way I read it, if we dont have a SLI agreement by March 9 (6 weeks from now) USAPA is no longer necessary, APA and the rest of the pilots will get an Arbitrated list. No questions, or input needed.
The Arbs might have questions, I assume who they ask will be able to respond to them, but the ceasing to be a part of the seniority integation judge Silver mentioned will effect all. Because it will be in the Arbitrators hands. The west, APA and East will all get whatever they give.
End of the saga is rapidly approaching. USAPA's job is effectively finished on March 9....
Also the MOU speaks of a "No Bump, No Flush". So, read'em and weep.... The equipment bids East, that is....

How is that medicinal marijuana anyway?

 

[Phoenix]

January 24, 2014
Leonidas Update
The attorneys for the West Class and Leonidas LLC have spent the last two weeks reviewing Judge Silvers decision. While we do not agree with her decision for the reasons stated in our numerous briefings and during trial, we are left to work with her decision while any appeal winds its way through the system.
What does Judge Silvers ruling on McCaskill-Bond mean for the West Pilots, East Pilots and USAPA?
It is important to note that McCaskill-Bond is a new federal statute that has not been reviewed by any courts (other than now Judge Silver). As we have been for much of our struggle against USAPA, we are once again on the legal vanguard. We must stress that although we did not obtain the relief we requested on McCaskill-Bond, we do not believe that Judge Silvers ruling forecloses the West Pilots participation in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process. Although Judge Silver ruled that the West pilots dont have the right to participate in the McCaskill-Bond process, she did not rule that West Pilots could not participate; rather she determined that it is up to the collective bargaining agent to determine what groups of employees must participate in the process in order to make it fair and equitable. Conversely, Judge Silver unequivocally held that USAPA cannot participate once it is no longer the certified bargaining agent.
Judge Silver called USAPAs victory on McCakill-Bond Pyrrhic because USAPA, once again driven by its single-minded need to oppress West Pilots, has been the mastermind of its own march towards irrelevance. USAPA took the position that only the certified bargaining agent can determine who can participate in McCaskill-Bond in an effort to prevent West participation. Once again, USAPA did not think through its legal strategy because Judge Silvers acceptance of that argument means that once USAPA ceases to be a collective bargaining agent it cannot participate in McCakill-Bond or seniority integration. Judge Silver was unequivocal on this point: when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration. Doc. 298 at pg. 21:11-12. We will enforce the Courts ruling that USAPA cannot be involved in seniority integration at the earliest practicable date.
As you all know, APA filed with the NMB to become the certified bargaining agent for New American pilots on January 14th. From the recent APA updates, the leadership at APA anticipates that APA will become the representative organization for the combined pilot group and that the NMB will likely render its decision within the next six months. (Note: When USAPA filed for single carrier status, it took the NMB 72 days rule.) According to APA, the completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. In fact, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration. (In 2007, ALPA opposed USAPA for similar reasons to no avail.) It is increasingly obvious that USAPAs plan to stay relevant is to oppose APAs Application to the NMB and urge no decision until the integration process is done.
Under our interpretation of Judge Silvers ruling, when APA becomes the certified bargaining agent for all New American pilots, APA will be responsible for determining which groups of employees are required to have separate representation for purposes of McCaskill-Bond. We believe that in line with their DFR obligations, APA will make the determination that the West Pilots should be afforded their own representation.
What is the status of the Nicolau Award?
Judge Silver did not rule against the Nicolau Award or that USAPA is free to proceed with date of hire. Rather, her narrow ruling found that USAPA had a legitimate union purpose for entering into the MOU. We believe this ruling was incorrect on both procedural and substantive grounds, but if the West Pilots are granted, as we believe they will be, their own representation in McCaskill-Bond, we still have the right to ask the Panel that the relative order of the US Airways pilots in any integration with American should be that found in the Arbitrated Nicolau Award.
What happens now?
In her ruling, Judge Silver stated that USAPAs current position of denying the West Pilots their own representation in McCaskill-Bond was unwise and that USAPA still has an obligation under McCaskill-Bond, as long as it is the certified bargaining representative for West Pilots, to give extensive consideration to the interests of the West Pilots and to make every effort to see that the West Pilots interest are fully and fairly represented during seniority integration. Order at pg. 21:8-11.
Earlier this week, the attorneys for the West Pilots sent a letter to Brian ODwyer, general counsel of USAPA, urging them to set up separate East and West committees, as chosen by the East and West BPR representatives for purposes of seniority integration. We also proposed that the issue of East and West seniority be finally decided by a single arbitrator. We have not heard back from Mr. ODwyer and given USAPAs past conduct are not exceedingly hopeful for a positive response; however, our proposal is undoubtedly the solution to the issue of East/West seniority that has plagued us for so long. It is also the only option to solve this issue before APA is forced to inherit it. You can read this letter in its entirety (here).
What can you do?
Our fight is not over. It is critical in the next few months that we continue to have representation and funding.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
www.cactuspilot.com

Send your bonus check to Ferggie and Koontz!


"she determined that it is up to the collective bargaining agent to determine what groups of employees must participate in the process in order to make it fair and equitable. Conversely, Judge Silver unequivocally held that USAPA cannot participate once it is no longer the certified bargaining agent."

Marty knows one thing for sure... He makes more money off writing duplicitous oxymorons to spur donations than he could ever get from his commission on your unachievable "damages" in a DFR he can never win for you.

PS... "Gullible" is no longer in the dictionary. It is superfluous now that "Spartan" has a new meaning.

PPS... The MOU is a contract that stipulates who participates in the MB and Judge Silver would never deny stipulated rights to parties of a contract (though she may imply such for political purposes in her political rant, more commonly known as irrelevant dicta).

 

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Dear Marty Harper PLLC:
 
Merger Committee Update
 
Our committee will endeavor to provide you with regular updates as we proceed with the SLI.  Unfortunately, while we will be unable to discuss with you the precise details of the ongoing negotiations, we will do our best to give you an overall view of where we are in the process.This week was spent working on the Protocol Agreement language.  We are working to have that agreement in place by February 9th.  Once that has been accomplished, we will begin our negotiations on the substance of the actual Seniority List Integration (SLI).  As we have stated, our goal is to seek an integration that treats all pilots at American and US Airways fairly and equitably, and we are confident of our ability to achieve that goal through negotiation or arbitration in accordance with the McCaskill-Bond legislation.
It is understandable for pilots to be concerned and anxious as the process proceeds.  It is important that you all understand that we have an extremely experienced, dedicated, and talented team working on your behalf each and every day.  The single most important issue facing our union at this point is the SLI.  We are committed to our task and are fully prepared to represent the US Airways pilot group as we move forward.
USAPA Merger Committee
 
HAVE A NICE DAY!

 

[A320 Driver]

January 24, 2014

Leonidas Update

Earlier this week, the attorneys for the West Pilots sent a letter to Brian ODwyer, general counsel of USAPA, urging them to set up separate East and West committees, as chosen by the East and West BPR representatives for purposes of seniority integration. We also proposed that the issue of East and West seniority be finally decided by a single arbitrator. We have not heard back from Mr. ODwyer and given USAPAs past conduct are not exceedingly hopeful for a positive response; however, our proposal is undoubtedly the solution to the issue of East/West seniority that has plagued us for so long. It is also the only option to solve this issue before APA is forced to inherit it. You can read this letter in its entirety (here).

What can you do?

Our fight is not over. It is critical in the next few months that we continue to have representation and funding.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

www.cactuspilot.com

So you want ANOTHER arbitration? Based on what? The airline 8 years ago? You will get an arbitration alright. 3 arbitrators under M-B with 3 lists based on the current paradigm. It will withstand any challenge. Anything else is a waste of time.

 

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So you want ANOTHER arbitration? Based on what? The airline 8 years ago? You will get an arbitration alright. 3 arbitrators under M-B with 3 lists based on the current paradigm. It will withstand any challenge. Anything else is a waste of time.

If it gets that far 90 days after February 9th.  The protocol agreement controls the PROCESS.  Not Marty, Andy, the Company OR the NMB.
 
COUNT ON IT.

 

[nevergiveup]

Expect a list March 9th. GH probably already has it. No bumps except when displacements occur. Triple breasted uniforms!

 

[Freighterguynow]

 
What wil NOT happen is the ability to fence PHX pilots from the A330s or A350s.  THAT would be a DFR on USAPA's part once the SLI and JCBA is complete.

2 lists or 3 ?

We will see.

 

[nycbusdriver]

January 24, 2014

Leonidas Update

.....yada, yada, yada....

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

www.cactuspilot.com

 
Did your lawyers go to law school?  Do they understand the difference between a court ruling and a judge's dicta?
 
I will answer for you.  Yes, they do indeed know the difference, and they certainly have their law degrees.  But they also know a good meal ticket when they see one.  And AOL is it.
 
Punch that "Donate" button and send more of your money down the toilet.
 
USAPA will continue to represent the US Airways pilots during the SLI until it is complete.  Much to the chagrin of Judge Silver, to be sure.  AOL will file for injunctive relief, and Judge Silver may actually issue that.  She will then be spanked by the Ninth Circuit and ridiculed over her total lack of knowledge of McCaskill-Bond and the RLA.  Very similar to Judge Wake.  
 
Just because USAPA loses the status of CBA does not mean it disappears from existence.  It will remain in existence until no longer needed by those it represents.  They will lose dues money, of course.  But they can certainly set up their own "Donate" button, and it will be well visited, if necessary.

 

[nycbusdriver]

We are working to have that agreement in place by February 9th.  Once that has been accomplished, we will begin our negotiations on the substance of the actual Seniority List Integration (SLI).

 
I understand the reasons they gave themselves a 30 day extension since nothing gets done over the Christmas holidays.
 
But here's a thought:  Just because the new deadline is February 9th, does that mean the parties must use the entire time to be ready to begin?  Why not be ready a week early and get started?  What a concept!  I know I am the world's best procrastinator, but do the Merger Committees have to follow my example?

 

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I understand the reasons they gave themselves a 30 day extension since nothing gets done over the Christmas holidays.
 
But here's a thought:  Just because the new deadline is February 9th, does that mean the parties must use the entire time to be ready to begin?  Why not be ready a week early and get started?  What a concept!  I know I am the world's best procrastinator, but do the Merger Committees have to follow my example?

Certainly.  I can see the possibility of having a protocol agreement before the end date.  In fact as long as all three parties agree they could even extend the protocol agreement.  As long as the three parties agree and as long as Allegheny-Mohawk is used the rest is all in the process.

 

[algflyr]

Which part of "...and your new leadership in Line Operations" do you not understand?

 
Really dca319? Which part of "they are different positions" do YOU not understand?
 
You didn't answer the question I asked? So I will ask you again:
 
So a direct question DCA319... How did NY have a Dir. of Flying and a Chief pilot at the same time that were two different people? Are they different positions?